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Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:39 am

Hi everyone,

This has been driving me nuts for the past days. I'm trying to rebuild the Korg Mini Pops "tambourine" sound in Zebra. As you can see from this picture of the spectrum analyzer here:

There's 3 pairs of 2 peaks each, around 5000Hz, 10.000Hz and 20.000Hz. So i'm thinking it was done with a comb filter probably. Problem is, i've been twiddling knobs with the comb in every setting, trying a bunch of filters etc...

Does anyone have an idea how i can achieve the same frequencies with the available filters in zebra? Any tips are much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:49 am

Looks a lot like mirrored sidebands of about 700 khz, have you tried a frequency shifter or an FMO?

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:19 am

Hmmm frequency shifter. Good idea, haven't tried FMO either.

What would be the procedure to create a sideband in Zebra?

It couldn't be that hard though to replicate could it? The original sound was generated by a 40 year old synth (the Korg Mini-Pops). That's why it's been driving so crazy

Was the Mini-Pops sample based or were the sounds synthesized?

Thanks for the help!

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:30 am

xh3rv wrote:Looks a lot like mirrored sidebands of about 700 khz, have you tried a frequency shifter or an FMO?

You are a genious! I re-started from scratch, started with pink noise and added an SB3 in the master FX matrix. Dialed in some offset until it looked the same as the original sample in the spectrum analyzer.

Almost there, but now the sidebands are split between the left and right channel. So i added a mixer, and converted to mono.

Now all that's left is to add more sidebands for the other frequencies and i'll probably nail it.

Thanks again!

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:00 am

Polybius wrote:Was the Mini-Pops sample based or were the sounds synthesized?

Sample based in 1967......

Ok seriously, it was all synthesized, that's why it's such a freaking classic. The sound is never the same.

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:03 am

HunterKiller wrote:
Polybius wrote:Was the Mini-Pops sample based or were the sounds synthesized?
Sample based in 1967......

Ok seriously, it was all synthesized, that's why it's such a freaking classic. The sound is never the same.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:43 am

Polybius wrote: What would be the procedure to create a sideband in Zebra?

Other than the SB module, FM or RM. There are some nuances I can never quite keep straight ... For sine waves, generally a modulator frequency and carrier frequency go in and sidebands above and below the carrier come out. I'm pretty sure the google-able Sound On Sound synth secrets articles have great info.

There are probably several ways to do this the right way in Zebra, sounds like you found one - glad it worked

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:38 am

Polybius wrote:
xh3rv wrote:Looks a lot like mirrored sidebands of about 700 khz, have you tried a frequency shifter or an FMO?
You are a genious! I re-started from scratch, started with pink noise and added an SB3 in the master FX matrix. Dialed in some offset until it looked the same as the original sample in the spectrum analyzer.

Almost there, but now the sidebands are split between the left and right channel. So i added a mixer, and converted to mono.

Now all that's left is to add more sidebands for the other frequencies and i'll probably nail it.

Thanks again!

would you mind sharing the patch?

I would like to try it and see what I can do with it

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:33 pm

rsmus7 wrote:
Polybius wrote:
xh3rv wrote:Looks a lot like mirrored sidebands of about 700 khz, have you tried a frequency shifter or an FMO?
You are a genious! I re-started from scratch, started with pink noise and added an SB3 in the master FX matrix. Dialed in some offset until it looked the same as the original sample in the spectrum analyzer.

Almost there, but now the sidebands are split between the left and right channel. So i added a mixer, and converted to mono.

Now all that's left is to add more sidebands for the other frequencies and i'll probably nail it.

Thanks again!
would you mind sharing the patch?

I would like to try it and see what I can do with it

Ofcourse, have at it!

http://users.telenet.be/bogaard/temp/mptamb.zip

The patch is not finished yet though, i've still to try the FM route and see how that goes. I think FM will be more practical, because now i'm using two noise generators.

Be sure to let us know what you can come up with!

Greeetings

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:35 pm

For anyone who's interested. I managed to nail the sound pretty much, the key was to use a VCF with the "AP Phaser 8" modus. This mode creates 8 peaks like the one shown in my first post. All that's left after that is to add an SB module and split accordingly, lastly, some BP filter and EQ twiddling pretty much nailed it.

Patches can be downloaded here:

http://users.telenet.be/bogaard/temp/tambourine.zip

I also added a patch which can be used more musically, it shakes along nicely

*edit*

Nearly done with the quijada and guiro. All that's left after that is the snares, kicks, hihats, combells etc...

All will be included in a future "Switched on 2.5" release. Which will be a bit more "spectacular" than all the previous ones.

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:14 am

Nice work dude.

You know it'd be awesome if Urs went ahead and did an uhe version of Spark Vintage Drums, with the Minipops7 included plus all the classic beats plus ways to edit them to your taste through effects and what not.

Elektrostudio's free Rhythmus is spot on with how a real MP7 functions, the only gripe being that some of the instruments aren't anywhere near their correct timbres, ie the bass drum, the snares and the tambourine being the least well emulated.

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:17 pm

Elektrostudio's free Rhythmus is spot on with how a real MP7 functions, the only gripe being that some of the instruments aren't anywhere near their correct timbres, ie the bass drum, the snares and the tambourine being the least well emulated.

Eep... the source from my tambourine patch is modeled after the Rhytmus tambourine, that's the only KMP-7 sound I couldn't find any sample of.

The rest of the patches will be modeled after real samples though.

If someone can point me to a free Mini Pops tambourine sample, i'll remodel my patch

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:40 am

Polybius wrote:
Elektrostudio's free Rhythmus is spot on with how a real MP7 functions, the only gripe being that some of the instruments aren't anywhere near their correct timbres, ie the bass drum, the snares and the tambourine being the least well emulated.
Eep... the source from my tambourine patch is modeled after the Rhytmus tambourine, that's the only KMP-7 sound I couldn't find any sample of.

The rest of the patches will be modeled after real samples though.

If someone can point me to a free Mini Pops tambourine sample, i'll remodel my patch

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I've got the proper one, still need it?

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:27 am

Haha, picard ascii facepalm ftw!

Yeah sure, you can send the sample to tragicvariant@gmail.com

Thanks!

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:32 pm

Polybius wrote:Haha, picard ascii facepalm ftw!

Yeah sure, you can send the sample to tragicvariant@gmail.com

Thanks!

Just sent it to you.

I also included the kick drum, the snares and cymbals.

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Mini Pops Tambourine