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ddeez · Post by **ddeez** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:40 pm

More LFO's, more Envelopes, More OSC's. When I say more OSC's I don't mean new one's modeled I mean being able to have A DCO osc running and also having a triple osc pulled up at the same time too. Just wondering, it would be so amazing.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:48 am

It'll be a different synth.

Modulatable Madness Analogue Style will be available as Berlin Modular, hopefully a year after Diva. Can't say 100% yet though. Think ACE and Bazille in *big*

Modulatable Goodness Eazy Style is and was and will always be Zebra. To which we'll add certain knowledge obtained during the making of Diva.

Urs

ddeez · Post by **ddeez** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:00 am

thanks much for the response. I know we've kind of talked about this before in a previous post and you said the filters were going to be ported. I apologize if i'm reasking but will there ever be a point where the entire sound of Diva will be possible with Zebra? I would buy Zebra in a heartbeat if I knew i could make the level of sound i get with Diva in zebra while having the amazing flexibility of zebra. That would be such an amazing synth. Diva is already amazing, that would be on another level.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:31 am

ddeez wrote:thanks much for the response. I know we've kind of talked about this before in a previous post and you said the filters were going to be ported. I apologize if i'm reasking but will there ever be a point where the entire sound of Diva will be possible with Zebra? I would buy Zebra in a heartbeat if I knew i could make the level of sound i get with Diva in zebra while having the amazing flexibility of zebra. That would be such an amazing synth. Diva is already amazing, that would be on another level.

Not anytime soon... Diva is a mono signal path, Zebra is stereo which would double the cpu right there... then the modular nature would also increase cpu

Diva is Diva and Zebra is Zebra... Zebra is not going to be Diva

Also, with Diva as it is you can layer multiple instances to have more osc's... you can also use your host automation to modulate more parameters with host lfo's and env's... or if your host does not do that, then you can use pther 3rd party tools

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:01 pm

Feedback from VCA back into the filter will not be possible in Zebra. But maybe in Berlin Modular

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:10 pm

Divra would kill your computer. And laugh.

News From The Sky · Post by **News From The Sky** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:00 pm

People who are asking for Diva sound with Zebra flexibility need to remember that there's a tradeoff. Diva sounds as good as it does in part because it's a fixed signal path. A synth with Diva oscillators and filters but all of Zebra's modulation options is not impossible - as long as you don't expect it to run in realtime on today's computers. If Urs moves some of Diva into Zebra, you will probably lose some sound quality (compared to Diva, not Zebra), and you will probably take a CPU hit.

I do wonder how much benefit there would be to moving Diva (or ACE) to a TigerSHARC DSP, and whether or not Urs has looked into this...

I think there's room in the market for a DSP-based, high-quality, no-corners-cut hardware "virtual analog" with hands-on physical control AND tight computer integration (plug in the USB and it shows up like a softsynth in your DAW) but without tons of polyphony or multichannel effects. Basically an outboard Diva that could also work as a standalone. The Virus is a great synth, but instead of continuing to improve the sound quality to better compete with analogs they went down the 500-voice-polyphony-16-reverbs-and-the-kitchen-sink featuritis path. I would gladly trade 492 voices and 15 reverbs for aliasing-free oscillators and zero-delay-feedback filters. I don't need to play an entire orchestral arrangement through 1 synth - I just want a synth that has the uncompromised sound quality and tactile immediacy of analog hardware but with the flexibility and convenience of digital software. Maybe that's just me though.

ddeez · Post by **ddeez** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:06 pm

pdxindy wrote:
ddeez wrote:thanks much for the response. I know we've kind of talked about this before in a previous post and you said the filters were going to be ported. I apologize if i'm reasking but will there ever be a point where the entire sound of Diva will be possible with Zebra? I would buy Zebra in a heartbeat if I knew i could make the level of sound i get with Diva in zebra while having the amazing flexibility of zebra. That would be such an amazing synth. Diva is already amazing, that would be on another level.
Not anytime soon... Diva is a mono signal path, Zebra is stereo which would double the cpu right there... then the modular nature would also increase cpu

Diva is Diva and Zebra is Zebra... Zebra is not going to be Diva

Also, with Diva as it is you can layer multiple instances to have more osc's... you can also use your host automation to modulate more parameters with host lfo's and env's... or if your host does not do that, then you can use pther 3rd party tools

I don't really have a problem with computer cpu maxing out on my computer while using Diva. And if I do i just set it to Fast or Draft and then bounce offline in Divine. Actually funny enough a lot of the time i prefer Draft mode cuz it's brighter.

What host has lfo's and envelopes? And what 3rd party tools do that?

phazedown · Post by **phazedown** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:33 pm

delete-me

News From The Sky · Post by **News From The Sky** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:36 am

Don't forget Max4Live.

ddeez · Post by **ddeez** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:26 am

I think the big thing to me would be importing the Oscillators into Zebra. That's what I'd like to see more then the filters. When I load up Diva and I leave the filter all the way open, I get a GREAT sound. In the demo i've used of Zebra I feel it doesn't sound nearly as good as Diva. I'm wondering if this aspect can be ported over.

FYI just my lil opinion on it not sounding as good. Don't mean any harm i'm just madly in love with Diva.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:14 pm

ddeez wrote:More LFO's, more Envelopes, More OSC's. When I say more OSC's I don't mean new one's modeled I mean being able to have A DCO osc running and also having a triple osc pulled up at the same time too. Just wondering, it would be so amazing.

I don't think adding things, like a bunch of LFO's, would be in keeping with Diva's aims either. Having said that - a couple more mod destinations would maybe be nice

One thing I do miss a bit is having a second layer too. That makes it difficult to copy certain Jupiter sounds well without using a second instance, since the Jupiter 8 could use two sound sources (often used to hard pan each layer and create a wider stereo effect too). So I do think a second layer could be said to be in keeping with Diva's aims but, obviously, you'd have to draw the line there otherwise you're getting more into 16 channel workstation territory (DevaStation?

). If that second layer could also be cross faded across keys it would make for interesting creative layering possibilities as well as allowing even greater authenticity for some "vintage" sounds.

Finally, as far as envelopes are concerned, I'd like to see one envelope to rule them all rather than 8 dozen types - Something which gave some control over the shape of the ADSR response. I suspect, in Diva's case, this is maybe a bit more tricky to implement than would typically be the case, but it'd be very nice to see

BTW - You can already get more modulation happening if you use something which allows for flexible MIDI modulation too. EG I've been messing with the (formerly Jazz Mutant) Lemur iPad app, and you can really get some interesting things happening with that thing. Will need to spend some more time with it in future (AKA getting to grips with the scripting) now that I've figured how to get fairly stable 1ms latency out of the iPad over a standard (non ad-hoc) wireless network on Windows. Damned iPad's battery saving is so aggressive that it tends to get in the way of latency sensitive usage. But a touch surface is really best suited towards things like step sequencing and X/Y modulation, and not as knob/slider replacement, at least IMO

rexlapin · Post by **rexlapin** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:28 pm

If you are on a Mac, running Diva inside Numerology 3 Pro gives you an almost
infinite (well a very large number, anyway!) of possible modulation paths.
Just a beautiful combination!

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:05 am

rexlapin wrote:If you are on a Mac, running Diva inside Numerology 3 Pro gives you an almost
infinite (well a very large number, anyway!) of possible modulation paths.
Just a beautiful combination!

Yeah, several tools exist for that sort of thing, but Numerology looks neat and I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before there's an iPad port since it seems fairly well suited for touch.

Though the more you have to deal with external MIDI over wireless/USB etc, the more you tend to appreciate just how dated it is - Unbelievable an entire industry managed to stick with this stuff for so long given the timing issues etc. Perhaps both a testament to MIDI as well as indictment of them

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Is there any plan/possibility to have DIVA be more modulatable/bigger?