some crits about mutools.

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AstralExistence wrote:it is, pretty much being advertised as a self contained studio with the added benefit of using vst plugins.
It is a self contained studio, like almost all hosts these days. And still the plugin market is booming. Because internal synths and effecs are generally 'basic' in most hosts, so there is a large demand for external plugins.

Except for Reason of course.
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Nielzie wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:it is, pretty much being advertised as a self contained studio with the added benefit of using vst plugins.
It is a self contained studio, like almost all hosts these days. And still the plugin market is booming. Because internal synths and effecs are generally 'basic' in most hosts, so there is a large demand for external plugins.

Except for Reason of course.
i don't see a vsti host as self contained when it 'hosts' thats why a host is called a host. because it hosts other plugins. mulab is pretty much being marketed to the self contained studio audience. a easy fun less complex version of reason.

from site, MuLab is a top-quality sound and music production system for Mac OSX and Windows, transforming your computer into an inspiring modular studio.

which is pretty much how reason advertises reason.
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AstralExistence, what kind of music do you want to make? Do you have some tracks online? Also please give a concrete example of which standard sound you don't find / can't make with MuLab 4.
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i cant seem to get the synths to have this much movement. its possible with lots of automation but if i had to say what im really missing in mutools is the ability to modulate things so they dont sound static and like a raw wave.
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for example, i use a synth called cm dominator that nails these sound perfectly without automation. because it modulates everything internally. can mutools modulate params internally or must i use automation?
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I've come from Reason to Mulab because Mulab offers more and easier modulation.
So far i have not encountered a case where i was stuck because it couldn't be done! Serious.

Have you checked the Instuments/Silencio folder?
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Mulab's main strength IS that you can modulate internally.

I strongly recommend to spend some time with the MUX.
It's endless....
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AndreasD wrote:I've come from Reason to Mulab because Mulab offers more and easier modulation.
So far i have not encountered a case where i was stuck because it couldn't be done! Serious.

Have you checked the Instuments/Silencio folder?
i have too :) yes! unfortunately, there not too many patches in that folder. those patches kick ass. i agree those are the best patches in mutools. unfortunately, the other patches are not nearly as good. i actually sent trancit a message last week about more mu tool instruments like silencio. he said,

Thx for your compliment and yes there will come much much more...

The last few month I was very busy with my real life but soon I will start to continue with MuLab patches

i dont know the developer name joe is it? but he should hire trancit to do a bunch of instruments like silencio and a bunch of patches. silencio is awesome its my fav mutools instrument.
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AndreasD wrote:Mulab's main strength IS that you can modulate internally.

I strongly recommend to spend some time with the MUX.
It's endless....
ok, if thats true, then just like i thought it was, this a user issue and not a mutools issue. then, i wish there was the kind of user tutorials as in reason. for example, on youtube theres like thousands upon thousand of tutorials about getting the most out of reason. mutools, theres next to nothing and when i say next to nothing i mean 3 pages, and out of those 3 theirs 2 vids with tutorials. reason tutorials search brings up a nearly infinite amount of vids all relevant.
maybe its not a can mutools do it issue, but HOW to do it issue. theres no support. i mean nobody wants to bombard this forum with a thousand question on how to do something. mutools should have a bunch of tutorials available even its just by the developer.
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AstralExistence wrote: i don't see a vsti host as self contained when it 'hosts' thats why a host is called a host. because it hosts other plugins. mulab is pretty much being marketed to the self contained studio audience. a easy fun less complex version of reason.

from site, MuLab is a top-quality sound and music production system for Mac OSX and Windows, transforming your computer into an inspiring modular studio.

which is pretty much how reason advertises reason.
I respectfully disagree. Ableton Live, Cubase, Studio One, Orion, etc. All are advertised as music production "Studio's" afaik. And of course they host vsts.

Some call them DAWs. But in the end they are all different names for the same thing.
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AndreasD wrote:Mulab's main strength IS that you can modulate internally.

I strongly recommend to spend some time with the MUX.
It's endless....
ok well, i would but, i dont know where to start, as there's no tutorials just a basic this does this that does that doc. if no tutorials then somebody needs to write a mutools powerbook. or make a video course about deep modular routing and what can be done with it. tools are useless if you dont know how they work.
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There will come more tutorials soon. Make sure you're connected to

http://www.twitter.com/mutools_com
http://www.facebook.com/mutools
http://www.youtube.com/mutools

or this forum of course :)
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AstralExistence wrote:...but he should hire trancit to do a bunch of instruments like silencio and a bunch of patches. silencio is awesome its my fav mutools instrument.
Glad you like it... and Jo already "hired" me just with releasing such a great sounding tool... 8)

I am very sorry, that there are not more presets for "Silencio" atm, just because the real life catched me and the most sad thing was, that it was all for nothing... I should have spend this time on making more sounds and instruments...

But they will come, I promise here...and thx for posting the links from songs you like...I'll examine those and will proove you, that MuLab is capable of doing all kind of sounds...
And the good thing with the sounddesign in MuLab is, that you can examine how the designer did it in detail to perhaps learn other ways that you might have overlooked...

And to everyone here: I would like to make a video series "MUX explained" and "Tipps and tricks" to have a good references for this great programm, but I need a native english speaker for recording the comments and offer me that recordings...
I am very convinced that AndreasD will help me too with his great knowledge about MuLab, won't you Andreas??? :hihi:

@Jo: You spoke in another thread about releasing the movie software with 4.19, but I didn't found it...
I think such videos would be quite essential for advertising the new MUX VST/i too.

So far, so good... 8)
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Trancit wrote:@Jo: You spoke in another thread about releasing the movie software with 4.19, but I didn't found it...
In the cedar webfolder: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/cedar

It's not yet 'officially' released because i stumbled upon a bug in the mudrum mux area.
I think such videos would be quite essential for advertising the new MUX VST/i too.
Fully agree!

That's why i invested some time to add that built-in muvie recorder.
It's still something basic, but it does make the process for creating mu-user movies more straightforward. Basic info on www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/muvie-recorder.html

If you need more info, let me know!
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I've uploaded some fat MUX preset here: http://www.mutools.com/temp1049/Tumbarr.Mux

Right-click + Save As + Drop it on a rack and play.

Is it that kind of sounds you're looking for?
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