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braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:47 am

I don't think it is ever specified by Urs because there could be complications with Rolan, Moog, Morgan's if they said it directly. Otherwise it is pretty darn clear what inspired Diva

afreshcupofjoe · Post by **afreshcupofjoe** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:49 am

Kriminal wrote:
afreshcupofjoe wrote:
Kriminal wrote: diva doesnt emulate the jupiter8
Detailed models of the Jupiter 8 filter, envelopes, and oscillators aren't enough for you?
there's no documention that suggests diva is modelling a J8 in any way

Urs has stated explicitly that it is. This has been discussed to death so many times in DIVA threads that honestly, if you don't know at this point then you just haven't been paying much attention. That's okay, I don't care if you don't really follow all of the banter around here, but the fact that you would so adamantly argue a point which you know so little about is kind of silly. Why not just say "I don't think there is any documentation"? Why all out proclaim that you know something to be a fact when it's something that you clearly don't know anything about? What's your deal? Are you always like this?

braj wrote:I don't think it is ever specified by Urs because there could be complications with Rolan, Moog, Morgan's if they said it directly. Otherwise it is pretty darn clear what inspired Diva

It was definitely specified by Urs at some point, and the information was rather exact (down to trouble they had with replicating certain parts of the MS20 rev1 filter where they couldn't take measurements inside the IC, making it a slightly less accurate model than the other components). There is tons and tons of information out there; all kinds of gorey technical details. I just don't feel like digging through the hundreds of pages of DIVA posts to find it.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:00 am

I dunno why some people write Urs' name with all caps. URS is a company. Urs is of u-he fame.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:05 am

EvilDragon wrote:I dunno why some people write Urs' name with all caps. URS is a company. Urs is of u-he fame.

Yes - but URS is a standout in the world of soft synth developers...

He's just plain Urs when he goes back home at night

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:26 am

The unshushable Coktor wrote:And also, save a sound of your own and try to decipher the exact file for it on your hard drive. A silly system they have.

Yes, incomprehensible really why they chose such an un user friendly and closed system. XILS have the same annoying preset system (a legacy I guess of when Xavier worked for them) but seem more open to changing it recently.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:35 am

afreshcupofjoe wrote: It was definitely specified by Urs at some point, and the information was rather exact (down to trouble they had with replicating certain parts of the MS20 rev1 filter where they couldn't take measurements inside the IC, making it a slightly less accurate model than the other components). There is tons and tons of information out there; all kinds of gorey technical details. I just don't feel like digging through the hundreds of pages of DIVA posts to find it.

I'm not saying Urs didn't SAY it at some points, just it isn't in the documentation nor the marketing materials. BTW I like how my phone changes Korg to Morgan's

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:09 am

How did Urs name get mixed up in an Arturia thread FFS? Urs is a synth geek, plain and simple. I know this because he's shared some of his old manuals with me. It was his desire to emulate the Juno filter more precisely that I think Diva was born from.
Back to Jupiter. Yes, you have to have a dongle, but if you already have one(I had an eLicenser) you can put your license on there. I just moved mine to the one that came with Nexus and, besides the time it takes AF to load, I haven't had a peep out of it. But there are 3000 presets, so this is forgivable.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:16 am

I've been thinking of getting the Analog Experience the Factory KB bundle for a while now, but keep holding off because a. maybe not the best controller (but I love the wood panels haha) and maybe not the greatest plugin, and plus I was concerned about the dongle thing. At least now the dongle may not be an issue. What do you think of that package, this is the one I was considering:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARAAEFACT

From what I can tell, it is a decent controller if not the best, and the plugin makes it seem like a good bargail. Just I have NI's Retro Machines which I'm not crazy about, I was concerned it would be similar to that in some ways. How much of the real Arturia synths do you get with the simplified package? Does it just use samples of them or is it using their synthisis? And how light on the CPU are they compared to Diva for example?

risome · Post by **risome** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:16 am

Just to close off ,funny how this thread started as praise for a great product and somehow got changed into a DIVA versus JP8 V thread, just saying............ cheers

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:26 am

@braj - Cpu is consistent with, say Massive on the voice intense patches (20 percent on my tiny dual core Athlon) I don't think it's samples, I think AF is more like NI Kore, and it loads 'mini' versions of the synths. Downside to this, you don't get a lot of tweaking options. You get Octave, Filter, envelopes, and then the small knobs have parameters attached to them with stuff like OSC 1/2 Mix. You can't program your own patches. I will say I do use it and quite often. The Moog, Arp and CS-80 stuff really stands out and sounds extremely good. 3000 presets of various analog classics for that money to me was a no-brainer.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:29 am

osiris wrote:@braj - Cpu is consistent with, say Massive on the voice intense patches (20 percent on my tiny dual core Athlon) I don't think it's samples, I think AF is more like NI Kore, and it loads 'mini' versions of the synths. Downside to this, you don't get a lot of tweaking options. You get Octave, Filter, envelopes, and then the small knobs have parameters attached to them with stuff like OSC 1/2 Mix. You can't program your own patches. I will say I do use it and quite often. The Moog, Arp and CS-80 stuff really stands out and sounds extremely good. 3000 presets of various analog classics for that money to me was a no-brainer.

Coo. And since I mentioned Retro Machines, it made me go play with it, it actually has nice sound just not much tweaking options (good and bad thing really) but the arp is pretty nice, and I just realized I can send it to other plugins

Anyhow, I may get the Analog Factory now. Does it have an arp, and what is it like? I am crazy for arps and if there are a lot of interesting patterns included that would be a big plus.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:03 am

braj wrote:Anyhow, I may get the Analog Factory now. Does it have an arp, and what is it like? I am crazy for arps and if there are a lot of interesting patterns included that would be a big plus.

In AF, any arps are baked into the original instrument presets - you don't have real control over the patterns. You can select ones with arps or sequences from the menu at the top.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:13 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
braj wrote:Anyhow, I may get the Analog Factory now. Does it have an arp, and what is it like? I am crazy for arps and if there are a lot of interesting patterns included that would be a big plus.
In AF, any arps are baked into the original instrument presets - you don't have real control over the patterns. You can select ones with arps or sequences from the menu at the top.

Ug, that's no fun.

afreshcupofjoe · Post by **afreshcupofjoe** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:22 am

risome wrote:Just to close off ,funny how this thread started as praise for a great product and somehow got changed into a DIVA versus JP8 V thread, just saying............ cheers

They are the only two commercial VA synths on the market which attempt to accurately model the Jupiter 8. I don't see why comparisons with DIVA wouldn't be expected in a thread heaping praise on JP8V when DIVA arguably does a better job of modelling the same oscillators, filters and envelopes. How could it not?

I don't really see how this observation is somehow "funny" or insightful. It seems quite natural and obvious.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:32 am

How is the step sequencer in the Jupiter 8 V? Can it output midi?

Jupiter 8 V 2.5