Piano-roll improvements?

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I've been using tracktion for a couple of weeks and so far I found it extremely difficult to edit midi via the piano roll, therefore did not get into depth but these improvements would make me really use it (and maybe come up with more ideas):

- Full Screen Mode (it's very hard to deal with tiny dots and lines, and again very hard to stretch the view back and forth continously)
- Visible quantize (when you quantize, you don't see the difference letting you edit further)
- Easy transposing of midi clips without having to open the piano roll (maybe this exists, I couldn't find it though)
- Easy selection of all events on the same notes or all events at a selected instance or yet all events at once in a clip (I couldn't find a way to select everything in a clip at one easy step)
- Note names visible on the piano keyboard (C1 C2, etc could give me an idea where I am)

Thanks :)
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ingilizanahtari wrote:- Full Screen Mode (it's very hard to deal with tiny dots and lines, and again very hard to stretch the view back and forth continously)
What's so difficult with double clicking the clip? You can set the switch-size between normal/large at the settings/misc windows - there's an option called "track resizing"
- Easy transposing of midi clips without having to open the piano roll (maybe this exists, I couldn't find it though)
As a workaround: try the PitchShifter Filter on Midi-tracks. Works as well as with audio.
- Note names visible on the piano keyboard (C1 C2, etc could give me an idea where I am)
:?:

My tracktion has note names (C1, C2, ...) and I don't think they're optional... strange! :roll:

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J.
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Crossinger wrote:My tracktion has note names (C1, C2, ...) and I don't think they're optional... strange! :roll:
You need to be zoomed right in to see them though.
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Z is the keyboard shortcut for zooming the midi editor.
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valley wrote:
Crossinger wrote:My tracktion has note names (C1, C2, ...) and I don't think they're optional... strange! :roll:
You need to be zoomed right in to see them though.
A that explains everything. I've set my keyboard-zoom to 2 octaves for ages now and never did a zoom-out.

:wink:

J.
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Hey Jules, why not buy the Image line software concern and use only FL´s piano roll editor smoothness and stepseq?:wink:
Fullscreen mode:
A fast and simple fullscreen command like marked region to fullscreen or double click the clip to fullscreen, where are only available transport,punch and edit commands, free stackable.
The possibility to fast switch between different tracks for editing notes, and to see gost notes from other tracks.
A command to show up velocity and more automation curves from the track, inside or better for me under the piano roll with gostcurves ((make it possible in each track to enable and disable this so you can see only them you need, for the notes too)
Show up the notes name (C1,C2,...) inside the note if they are large enough like in the piano roll.
A snap to what you need and not only to grid like now.
Arrange mode:
The possibility to copy automation curves separately, with the clip and more curves in one step.
Different colours for the velocities.
3 modes small, arranger and fullsreen
What I don´t like now is that the active parameter curves of all the tracks show up in one track, just confusing
Greetings! 8)
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I would like to see a List View that shows all MIDI events in a track, sysex, controller messages, program changes, with attack, release times, etc. Sometimes you need that to really see exactly what's going on in a track. It would also be nice for everything to have some sort of visual representation in the piano roll, including sysex, prog changes, etc. Also should I be able to grab the end of a selection of notes and drag the durations back and forth? Not sure how to do this in Tracktion.

Thanks for listening!
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If it has not already been mentioned before...how about the inclusion of some sort of drum grid editor added to the piano roll and a step sequencer as well.
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christianmusicmaker wrote:If it has not already been mentioned before...how about the inclusion of some sort of drum grid editor added to the piano roll and a step sequencer as well.
yes please :)
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-modifier key/click and drag to fill notes at display quantize resolution

-program wide standardization on key commands for selecting multiple items: clips, notes etc

-window size "lock" button to keep piano roll visable when resizing other tracks with f-key shortcuts

-drum editor features for hi-hat programming (key groups?)

thanks jules.
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I would just like to be able to change the velocity of all the midi notes in a midi clip at the same time properly....
Maybe we can expect a bug fix for T1 !

Changing with the wheel does not work at all, and dragging the arrow often do unexpected things !
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Yeah, that bug has been around for ages.
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it's not so much a bug as a limitation of the system used. I've suggested a couple of times replacing that slider with an endless knob that simply increments up and down, rather than the slider that relates to an absolute value.

For all notes in a midi clip you can *decrease* velocity by bringing down the gain slider in the clip properties.
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hm I'll just write the conclusion here so you don't have to bother reading the whole post with my random blur:

- step edit. (text writing type of entry but with a midi controller. caps lock could (or similar) simulate double length notes or same length note but with addition of a same length space.

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ok .. this is my first post here. actually my first post at any web bulletin' .. hope I don't f* up ;)

I realize that no-one has posted anything in a few months but I hope you'll get this msg soon enough..

I've been making music since the early nineties and like so many others begun with trackers. -> I got used to the tracker style of editing melodies and rythms, and since then, this has been my n:o 1 priority in sequencers. i have been using logic for a couple of years now with customized keyboard shortcuts or whatever they were called in logic. logic's not very intuitive IMHO so I've tried something else every now and then, but always returned to logic. muzys seemd very promising with lots of good features but as soon as I found out it had no step editing I just had to dump it =( (and the development seems to be stalled, so I'm not counting on step edit being implimented either (at least in the near future) =( ).

yesterday I found tracktion, but soon found out it lacked the step edit, too. tracktion, too, seems very promising and I'd LOVE to see step edit being implimented.

and by step edit I mean of course the entering of notes step by step. for instance assigning 1/16 notes as the way to go and making a nice, melodic psytrance bassline by playing your midi controller one note at a time, and taking your time. pressing a single key to double the note length, and if you make a mistake, just press a "backspace" type of thingie. you know, just like entering text =)

mmkayy, I think you get the point (this post seems pretty long compared to the others ;))

... but while I'm at it: I think the first "real" sequencer to implement tracker-like editing (you know, vertical patterns and tracks and the worx) will win the hearts of many. especially old tracker geeks' like me ;) It doesn't even have to be very complicated (at first) .. well, I'm not at all sure if tracktion would be the right seq for that, designed to as simple as possivle .. just an idea ...

and while I'm at it #2: /IF/ muzys really isn't being developed anymore, or at least in the future, it would be great if you ripped some of the best stuff from muzys. but I won't be going in to that now. just an idea. OBSERVE: this isn't supposed to be a troll, so don't react to it like it is. just an idea from the top of my head.


mkay, I think that's enough so that I don't get banned right away ;)

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just have to add this:

you seem like a genious guy (really), and I BET you could come up with /the best/ step entry thingie if you'd put your mind into it.

imho it should have the same "feel" as the trackers had /have (and the other sequencers with step entry), but I think you could even make it even better by making it even more intuitive by means that even I can't comprehend ;)

but some things come into mind, like having a different key for each note length as shortcut as I have in logic.

moving around the notes should be easy with the keyboard. deleting notes so that you don't need mouse is imho very important. I think there's something to learn from trackers.

maybe you could have some kind of a interface so that 3rd party developers could make their own interfaces for things like tracker style editin etc? (afaik rewire or vst can't really do what I mean) just and idea again, and neseccarry not a good one, since I don't code =/

anyway

I'll be counting on you for making the best sequencer for all of us (actually not all. for instance notation and video features are IMHO not neseccarry) ,)

enough of this ;)

cheers

//q
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