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Echoes in the Attic · Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:39 pm

1) Using Duo voice mode with the Eco OSC and one osc set to Ring Mod. Instant Oddyssey/Oddity vibe! The MS-20 didn't have duophonic mode right? I love that sound you get with the duo/ring mod combination, very cool, and sounds great in DIVA.

2) Lowering the oscillator levels when using the bite filters. I was thinking that as good as they sound, I couldn't get the filters to scream quite as smooth as the Korg MS-20 and then I realized you just have to turn down the oscillators and compensate with the amp volume. Nice and smooth and squelchy.

Using the above two techniques together is my current favorite recipe for synth craziness.

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Tue May 01, 2012 3:21 am

The effect on the filter from lowering the volume works with any of the oscillators that have a volume control. Hopefully at some point Urs will implement volume controls on the Roland modules too.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Tue May 01, 2012 4:22 am

A couple dirty tricks - With the dual VCO, one VCO can have no active waveforms, turning the mix control into a volume knob of sorts - mixing silence with the active oscillator (sync still works if VCO1 is silent ...). With the DCO both square and saw sources can be off, leaving the 'sub' slider as a volume control.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 01, 2012 11:41 am

Hehehe, real MS-20s behave the same way. Turn VCOs all up, no scream no more

However, in a real MS-20 this happens on the last quarter of the knob, while in Diva it happens from about half way up. That's because in Diva we had to come up with some sort of even levels between the different module types, which was a quite a bit of juggling between oscillator volume, filter pre-emphasize and resonance volume. Thus some filters can be driven harder than their real counterparts, especially the ladder and the bite ones. Which thus mean they *seemingly* scream less, until the gain-stageing tricks are discovered.

Urs

groundhum · Post by **groundhum** » Tue May 01, 2012 4:15 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:The MS-20 didn't have duophonic mode right?

No.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Tue May 01, 2012 5:41 pm

Mogular wrote:... Hopefully at some point Urs will implement volume controls on the Roland modules too.

Or a filter drive knob... as a matter of fact, that's what we're interested in, right?

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue May 01, 2012 8:57 pm

groundhum wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:The MS-20 didn't have duophonic mode right?
No.

Another reason why DIVA's MS-20 kicks so much ass. The Ring Mod with Duophonic mode is the gem in this baby! Not to mention having the filter fm.

DIVA's more MS-20 than an MS-20.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:07 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
groundhum wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:The MS-20 didn't have duophonic mode right?
No.
Another reason why DIVA's MS-20 kicks so much ass. The Ring Mod with Duophonic mode is the gem in this baby! Not to mention having the filter fm.

DIVA's more MS-20 than an MS-20.

Ahhh...The power of digital modelling...

Being able to graft a Zebra's tail on to a Diva's arse...

The possibilities are endless...

Now - about those bits and pieces from the wonderful OB8

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:31 pm

I'd rather see every soundsource have it's own volume knob, rather than a filter input drive knob - seems more flexible. I'd love it even more if the mixer on the DCO let you set the saw and square levels like you can noise and sub! That'd open up quite a range of new and (perhaps unorthodox) sound.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:57 pm

Sendy wrote:I'd rather see every soundsource have it's own volume knob, rather than a filter input drive knob - seems more flexible. I'd love it even more if the mixer on the DCO let you set the saw and square levels like you can noise and sub! That'd open up quite a range of new and (perhaps unorthodox) sound.

I agree, I think the 'why' of adjusting volume levels seems more intuitively related to oscillator choice. I like that the filters are much more consistent knob-wise and behavior-wise than the oscillators, I'm suspicious a drive knob might make them less consistent.

The Triple VCO and VCO/ECO sort of have their own sensibility and logic for gain, so I'm guessing the Dual VCO and DCO would also benefit from particular nuance if extending the modules is worth doing.

[e] What about an oscillator model with a mix of goofy, non-canonical tweaks called 'Weird Technical Functions (WTF)'?

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Wed May 02, 2012 8:06 am

xh3rv wrote:...called 'Weird Technical Functions (WTF)'?

GruvSyco · Post by **GruvSyco** » Sat May 05, 2012 8:30 pm

Man, the MS20 filters are rocking my world thanks to some of the tips on here.

golden beers · Post by **golden beers** » Mon May 07, 2012 10:01 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
groundhum wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:The MS-20 didn't have duophonic mode right?
No.
Another reason why DIVA's MS-20 kicks so much ass. The Ring Mod with Duophonic mode is the gem in this baby! Not to mention having the filter fm.

DIVA's more MS-20 than an MS-20.

just to let you guys know that you can configure the MS20 to be duophonic

here's a cheesy example

u-he

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