Is there really no good soundfont editor?

[griels]

Vsampler might be another option.

Or Mobius: http://www.squarecircle.com/mobius/mobius.html

There used to be a shareware program called Audio Compositor for editing sf2s.. Site seemed to have vanished though. You can still d/l the (rather crippled) demo here though:

http://www.maz-sound.com/samplers.html

EXSC2 seems to convert Kontakt patches to SF2 OK though, so I use that.

In terms of free stuff, you could look at Smurf for Linux or it's successor, Swami:

http://swami.sourceforge.net/

which has apparently been ported to windows:

http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/iiwusy ... 00062.html

Maybe politely hassle Josh Green for a copy?

[scuzzphut]

Oh man. Building soundfonts should NOT be as convoluted as this

Isn't there a way to get Vienna running even without a Soundblaster card?

bollox

[pHz]

easiest option still seems to be whatever vst sampler you got loaded into the chainer demo ...

slainte rob

[scuzzphut]

I just downloaded Vienna and got it to install and run fine (it's now at v2.3).

I have a Windows XP machine.

Although I have an SBLive, I am using the kx drivers. Vienna installation always balked at this before and I could never get it working.

Definitely worth a try, chaps.

[Jeremy_NSL]

The whole chainer thing won't work no matter how you slice it. It exports UNLOOPED soundfonts - doesn't matter if you loop em beforehand in whatever vsti you use.

scuzzphut: do you have an url for vienna? I found a bunch of dead links.

[pljones]

I really must find time someday to code up a SF2 formatter... The format is well documented (no idea how accurate - I'm sure René can comment there, though) and fairly straight forward (based on RIFF). There's an open source tool or two available, too, which can only help.

Floyd, I'm also utterly bemused as to why there isn't a free SF2 writer.

[dougsyo]

I really must find time someday to code up a SF2 formatter... The format is well documented (no idea how accurate - I'm sure René can comment there, though) and fairly straight forward (based on RIFF). There's an open source tool or two available, too, which can only help.

Floyd, I'm also utterly bemused as to why there isn't a free SF2 writer.

I think René had problems with the way some banks are configured, not with the fonts themselves (ie some banks only using MSB for bank-switching, etc). For those looking, the spec's available in PDF format at http://www.soundfont.com

I've built sf banks from looped wav samples with VSampler. I know of people that built banks with Chainer and then used Seamless Looper or EZ-Editor to loop the wavs (I think there was something about this in the Crystal docs, since it can use a soundfont for an oscillator source).

Doug

[scuzzphut]

floyd - it's linked in my post up there ^




anyways - it's not hard to find Vienna

[xander]

I really must find time someday to code up a SF2 formatter... The format is well documented (no idea how accurate - I'm sure René can comment there, though) and fairly straight forward (based on RIFF). There's an open source tool or two available, too, which can only help.

Floyd, I'm also utterly bemused as to why there isn't a free SF2 writer.

I will pay you - perhps handsomely - if you do really code up what has become a common quest here and desperately needed by many.... Honestly! Code away - cuz i spent years gathering sf2s, and I HATE anything to do with soundbalster anymore ( another story for another time). I'm serious also.

Scuzzphut - I mentioned this before to you and I thinks it is do-able based upon your previous excellent dev work...

[gizmo]

Great thread. Using sfz+ has shown me that there's much more sound in soundfonts than I hear in NNXT.

[Vendaval]

Hi! Yes, it´s very sad...There isn´t a decent SF2 editor... Who demons are going to be able to make free soundfonts without a damn editor?

Of course, although I would like, I can´t do it... Who uses a nauseous Soundblaster nowadays?

We need -> !!!

Greetings...

[griels]

Heloooooooo?

Can anybody hear me?

I mentioned a little thing called Swami?

[Improv]

Also consider getting CHAINER and then loading sFz inside. Export the converted SF format samples thru CHAINER.

Both are free and robust.

Chainer isn't free-$60USD

http://www.kvr-vst.com/get/261.html

[pljones]

Heloooooooo?

Can anybody hear me?

I mentioned a little thing called Swami?

Last time I inquired I got a friendly but unhelpful response - i.e. "You want to run it on Windows? Be my guest... just don't expect it to be a priority to fix it when it breaks". You need three parts: SWAMI, IIWUsynth and the GUI toolkit. IIWUsynth appeared to be a dead project and I couldn't get it to build even under CygWin (let alone as a native Win32 app using MinGW). The GUI library was buildable, IIRC.

That's _hard work_. And SWAMI has all the disadvantages of Awave/Vienna/VSampler - it's a GUI. Fine for tweaking the odd parameter, not very pleasant for building a SF2 from scratch.

I just want to hack a text file together describing the SF2 and run it through a compiler. Simple. The tool I was last pointed to that asserted it did this couldn't even build a valid SF2 file from its own output (it decompiled, too - the decompile output was meant to be useable input to the compiler).

Josh seems to have a handy-looking library, though, that could help: libinstpatch

[scuzzphut]

I think it might be worth a non soundblaster user tyring out the latest version of vienna and reporting back here - I'm not so sure that a SB card is required now.....

anyone up for it?