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christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:16 pm

I love that video and this quote...

"Were going to have an 1176?"

Ozone!

Ok Re has my full attention now

Re just needs more support. Maybe RE will thrive. There is some momentum now it appears. Early days yet (to put it mildly) but a lower cost for the plugs plus easy management of them for devs and customers could just maybe lead to a true rival format compared to VST.

Many will wonder though about...

Reselling Plugs
It is a huge market. Maybe a simple transfer to >insert registered user on Prop shop here< button is all that is needed on the Re Prop shop.

Devs
Ok the video would always favour Re but are all devs really that frustrated with VST? Maybe they are. I think there was a lengthy thread on the dev forum a while ago where a discussion took place about VST3 or similar and a possible alternative format. Well...I wonder if those devs will now get behind Re?

I just get the feeling many devs are waiting to see what kind of uptake there is first from the devs already onboard. I think Props will do well with Re, but it might take a bit longer than they would like especially if Steinberg try and modify VST (in response to Re), they way devs work with it and customers buy VST plugs. Could be a very interesting 12 - 18 months.

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:21 pm

bmrzycki wrote:Saw this on the twitter feed yesterday from Audio Damage -- it's been a bit under the marketing radar...

Nice!

mr president · Post by **mr president** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:24 pm

If rack extensions takes off big time the possibilities are limitless

decalogue · Post by **decalogue** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:35 pm

kmonkey wrote:
decalogue wrote:Can you do this in all other DAWs out there?
[..]
YES !!!

No. The point here is that there currently is no technology STANDARD that forces ALL DAWs and ALL 3rd party plugins to comply to the same mechanisms in regard to "the safety of undo". So if you switch from your current DAW to Studio One, for example, you'll find that your undo-chain will become broken in regard to those particular VSTi parameter tweaks you made 10 minutes ago.

You can't simply migrate your favorite VSTs from DAW X to DAW Y and be 100% sure that "the safety of undo" will still work in Y as it did in X. It depends on the decisions of both the host and the plugin developer.

So, the statements from the Props should be interpreted in the context of all DAWs and the current plugin standards, not just single DAWs and single plugins.

Can anybody enlight me? Why on earth you (or other people) think that they (props) are doing it for the first time right? It's been there in any serious program. Quite a few of them have normal History option working as you said..

They are doing it right in the sense that they're offering a marriage between the plugin and the host as opposed to just having the plugin as a lover.

Also that plugin can't bring down the host with diseases. Is that a 10 year old myth too?

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:44 pm

Watched 3 minutes.. sold. If it takes off that is.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:50 pm

Btw Korg DSP dudes looks very very geeky..

mr president · Post by **mr president** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:52 pm

damoog · Post by **damoog** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:28 pm

kmonkey wrote:Btw Korg DSP dudes looks very very geeky..

He fits in with everybody here then,including myself!...

,what did I just type?

damoog · Post by **damoog** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:45 pm

I'm really looking forward to RE....rack extensions are not new though,they have been 'out' for years

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fake+t ... 0QXI5uyCBg

mr president · Post by **mr president** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:59 pm

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:38 pm

damoog wrote:I'm really looking forward to RE....rack extensions are not new though,they have been 'out' for years

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fake+t ... 0QXI5uyCBg

WITH STEREO OUTPUT!!!

chuck death · Post by **chuck death** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:27 pm

decalogue wrote:Also that plugin can't bring down the host with diseases. Is that a 10 year old myth too?

Plugin bridging has been available in FL Studio for quite some time. This launches plugins as seperate processes so that a faulty plugin won't bring down the host. I believe other hosts also offer this feature.

FL Studio also, as mentioned, has had a great undo system for some time too. Undo, which, in direct contradiction of some earlier claims, can undo controls that can't be automated. It's actually very easy to do, instead of sending an automation message to undo the last thing, FL instead reverses the process that created the condition. Simple and very effective. It's also not limited by any 128 control limit because it's not using automation during undo.

I fully understand what The Props are getting at with their statements, they are worded very cleverly. The features they list are new, but only in the strictly defined way they have stated.

mr president · Post by **mr president** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:32 pm

chuck death wrote:
decalogue wrote:Also that plugin can't bring down the host with diseases. Is that a 10 year old myth too?
Plugin bridging has been available in FL Studio for quite some time. This launches plugins as seperate processes so that a faulty plugin won't bring down the host. I believe other hosts also offer this feature.

FL Studio also, as mentioned, has had a great undo system for some time too. Undo, which, in direct contradiction of some earlier claims, can undo controls that can't be automated. It's actually very easy to do, instead of sending an automation message to undo the last thing, FL instead reverses the process that created the condition. Simple and very effective. It's also not limited by any 128 control limit because it's not using automation during undo.

I fully understand what The Props are getting at with their statements, they are worded very cleverly. The features they list are new, but only in the strictly defined way they have stated.

Anyhoo decalogue, I'm sure none of this will make you change your mind so feel free to keep trying to convince us (yourself?) that the Emporer is wearing new clothes. I'm just saying he looks pretty naked from here...

Good point, but i do think its great of all the other stuff thats been mentioned instead of concentrating too much on the fact that its only just got an undo feature which others have had for years, bar a few niggles here and there

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:04 pm

chuck death wrote:FL Studio also, as mentioned, has had a great undo system for some time too. Undo, which, in direct contradiction of some earlier claims, can undo controls that can't be automated. It's actually very easy to do, instead of sending an automation message to undo the last thing, FL instead reverses the process that created the condition. Simple and very effective. It's also not limited by any 128 control limit because it's not using automation during undo.

I stand corrected in the case of FL studio.

That's one neat idea, I hope more DAWs start doing that!

chuck death · Post by **chuck death** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:37 pm

bmrzycki wrote:I stand corrected in the case of FL studio. That's one neat idea, I hope more DAWs start doing that!

It is neat isn't it!

It's also related to the reason why you can automate controls that aren't normally automatable. If you have a knob/switch/slider that doesn't allow automation, FL studio will convert automation messages into mouse messages direct to the plugins GUI instead. This makes the plugin think it's being controlled by you with your mouse but in reality it's being automated! Clever, eh?

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