Reason Rack extension

[Synthbuilder]

With u-he stuff it would turn my Love-Hate relationship with Reason to pure love

Yeah, I think I'm with you here. I couldn't help feeling excited by what was in that video.

I still like to use Reason a lot but for some things like midi out, modulation effects and a decent sampler I have to go elsewhere. Which for me means, at the moment, rewiring it to Live 8.

Tony

[liquidsound]

It would be great, instead of letting go, to port Albino to Reason RE and there it could stay forever thanks to the RE system rather than just kill it.
I think RP and LinPlug shoud think about this option out of consideration to so many of us investing so much ( time, creation and music) in that great synth and for the synth itself as a great creation indeed.
This move would immortalize it if you will....

[davidka]

Off: So, who holds the rights for the Albino synth itself?

[liquidsound]

Off: So, who holds the rights for the Albino synth itself?

Rob Papen and LinPlug.
Peter from LinPlug just answered my post about this and the answer is negative. Papen as well. So enjoy Albino now and hopefully new OS will no kill it.

[SuperFly76]

Did any of you guys catch the URL to the Propellerheads Shop in the video? I did, and typed it in, and it's active! You can see all the current available Rack Extensions and their prices here:

http://shop.propellerheads.se/

Very cool!

Enjoy the link guys!

[liquidsound]

Just checked and some calculations:
So far they have 18 Rack Exstentions for a total of $1182!
An average of $65.66 each.
Mostly are effects.
Imagine to spend your cash on this stuff and not being able to EVER use them on another DAW! EVER!!!!
Rewire? C'mon....
Is marketing reaching the Mind-Control level even for dudes like us?

Thank God they are not charging for cables

Shhhh

[billcarroll]

Reason rack extensions are a great idea, that I will never use.

Love a lot of what I see, but why would I repurchase plugins for a platform that remains pretty darn closed? Apple made a closed environment with the App store, but other app stores still fail. Just creating a better plugin ecosystem will get you nowhere.

Open Reason to all the AU/VST I already own and now you give me a REASON to upgrade to 6.5 from Reason 3, which is when I left.

[letthedogdrive]

I agree. I was thinking of upgrading from Reason 5 due to the RE's but at those prices forget it!

[eXode]

Just checked and some calculations:
So far they have 18 Rack Exstentions for a total of $1182!
An average of $65.66 each.
Mostly are effects.
Imagine to spend your cash on this stuff and not being able to EVER use them on another DAW! EVER!!!!
Rewire? C'mon....
Is marketing reaching the Mind-Control level even for dudes like us?

Thank God they are not charging for cables :hihi:

Shhhh :scared:

Out of curiosity, have you done the same calculation for AAX? :)

And to the rest of you nay-sayers: Is there anyone holding a gun against your head? Of course there is no reason for someone running another DAW alongside Reason to pay twice for the same product, you don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out. RE's are for those of us who either A.) Don't own those plugins already and prefer them in the Reason rack over the DAW of our choice or B.) Run Reason only and welcome the addition of new devices to the rack.

And regarding the pricing: What? You thought RE's would be near free/appstore prices? It's good that props convey a professional attitude from the start. Also all of the Softube stuff is coming in at a premium if you ask me, some others as well.

[SuperFly76]

It's a massive paradigm shift for sure. It used to be that if you owned reason, you owned everything in the rack. Not so anymore. Yeah, we had refills before, but still the fundamental instruments and effects were the same. All reason users were on level ground that way. Opening up reason to third party developers changes all of this.

It would be like saying that DAW X was this much, but if you bought every vst plugin it would be $xxx,xxx,xxx more. But we are used to this, because VST hosts are an open system. No one would ever think that you needed to buy every VST plugin out there. In contrast, with Reason, we are coming from a closed system, where we are used to having all the instruments and effects that are in the program.

Reason, for it's entire life up until now, was a closed system. One program. Now this is changing on a fundamental level. I admit that as a casual reason user, I don't know what to think about this. It really sunk in when I went to the store. Up until now I was really excited. I think the thing that got me the most was when I saw those new rack extensions by propellerheads themselves. I just assumed that anything made by propellerheads would just be included in the program, as it always has. When I saw that these were separate, and that I would have to pay for them, I was a little saddened as it dawned on me that this is a fundamental shift of the Reason environment.

My feeling is that this is what people are reacting to.

I think it's going to take a while for people to come to grips with the fact that the ecosystem has changed. Just remember, you can still make the same kind of music with Reason as you've been making, without buying a single rack extension.

[headquest]

Ok the video would always favour Re but are all devs really that frustrated with VST? Maybe they are.

Maybe, but I found this just another example of Propellerhead's increasingly nasty and negative marketing. They've stitched together Rob Papen's comments to make it look like he's saying his own commercial VST productions will cause your computer to have a BSOD. C'mon ... that's just wrong.

But it's been going this way for a while. The tag line for Propellerhead Record was "recording done right", implying that all the other developers have got it wrong. So Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase etc didn't change recording forever??

Perhaps it's time for other developers to turn the tables a bit. To start pointing out that - even if RE is sandboxed due to Propellerhead's amazing cleverness - that still doesn't make up for the fact that they don't have a PDC that works even for their own built in devices (MClass, Neptune, Vocoder) let alone RE devices. They don't have Video, MIDI Output, decent audio editing, support for multiple sample rates or audio file formats like MP3, OGG, 32 bit wav..., Freeze, Score notation, etc etc etc.

Reason is great - but VERY limited as a platform. So far RE does little to change that, because the early adopters are producing stuff that doesn't fundamentally change Reason's capabilities - for example there's still no decent orchestral sample library, guitar or piano available for use in Reason. Pretty basic stuff all around.

Negativity of any kind towards Propellerhead is always frowned up and attacked by the fanboys, but they get this free pass to be negative about everyone else in the industry, making out they are the only ones who have *got it right* (whatever *it* is - the latest feature they are hawking).

[decalogue]

Just checked and some calculations:
So far they have 18 Rack Exstentions for a total of $1182!

What? You thought RE's would be near free/appstore prices? It's good that props convey a professional attitude from the start.

I agree, but frankly I wasn't too impressed by the "loyal" Reason users' previous response to the $99 upgrade from version 5 to 6 (would Props have decided to go viral marketing with their PWYW gesture if such people instead had just accepted the upgrade price?). If that's the kind of people who are RE's largest potential customer group, I'm not so sure RE will land very well among the Reason-only users at all. It really remains to be seen if people will reach for their wallets to the extent Props and other RE developers hope for.

[eXode]

Reason, for it's entire life up until now, was a closed system. One program. Now this is changing on a fundamental level. I admit that as a casual reason user, I don't know what to think about this. It really sunk in when I went to the store. Up until now I was really excited. I think the thing that got me the most was when I saw those new rack extensions by propellerheads themselves. I just assumed that anything made by propellerheads would just be included in the program, as it always has. When I saw that these were separate, and that I would have to pay for them, I was a little saddened as it dawned on me that this is a fundamental shift of the Reason environment.

My feeling is that this is what people are reacting to.

I think it's going to take a while for people to come to grips with the fact that the ecosystem has changed. Just remember, you can still make the same kind of music with Reason as you've been making, without buying a single rack extension.

I think you have a good point and I do understand the sentiment. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I don't think that it will be the end of 'included' devices with major releases. I mean if you look at Cubase they included Padshop and Retrologue with their latest release, new devices will always be a selling point together with worklflow and other features. I am personally however really hoping that we will finally see MIDI out in the next big release.

What people have to keep in mind though is that props have made 6.5 a free upgrade to open up for the RE format. An upgrade that has still cost them a lot of man hours, and giving more devices for free on top of that was probably not a very viable option (well Pulsar is free until Oct 1st, also Softube Saturator Knob is free until Aug 14th).

I know some people may disagree but I still think that Reason in itself is a very nice package and that hasn't really changed just because we got Rack Extensions. As for the rest, only time will tell. :)

[kae]

Negativity of any kind towards Propellerhead is always frowned up and attacked by the fanboys, but they get this free pass to be negative about everyone else in the industry, making out they are the only ones who have *got it right* (whatever *it* is - the latest feature they are hawking).

When I did own Reason I just couldn't stand those PH forums and almost never visited them. The worshipping and fanboism in there is enough to make even Apple envious.

[headquest]

When I did own Reason I just couldn't stand those PH forums and almost never visited them. The worshipping and fanboism in there is enough to make even Apple envious.

I think that it actually affects Propellerhead's judgement about how they present stuff... they believe their own hype and their own fan base, in i reflects in the arrogance of their marketing claims and negativity to the outside world. They really DO make great stuff, but the attitude behind it has turned sour, and I don't believe they have a realistic appraisal of their own product compared to the competition :/