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Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:15 pm

Alright, got it to work!
Used a sound as input with the mux effect.
Then i panned the bassy stuff to left and sent into that sound/mux. The kick i panned right and used the aux1 to send it back to the group, with the aux pre mix ON so it becomes mono (ie not panned right).
In mux i simply used the stereo splitter, loaded DC8C which has sidechain compression.

The only downside is the mono on bassy sounds, but i think that isn't that much of an issue. My plan is to use a frequency splitter (available as freeware, there's a few of them). Load one of them in two soundslots, have the split frequency the same. Send the low into MUX and then take the output of mux and send it to the high frequency splitter output.
Once you make a preset i dont think it will be much trouble at all.

zendorf · Post by **zendorf** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:18 pm

Jo, when I was describing the windows closing, I was actually referring to its behaviour in Reaper. I didn't notice at the time, that the windows were not actually closing but being minimized to the taskbar.

Ideally, you would want all the various mux level windows to stay open. Currently every time I go to hit play or do anything within the host gui, all mux windows get minimised to the taskbar and then subsequently have to be restored one by one.

The main root level mux window always stays open of course, but if this is exited, the other lower level mux windows stay minimised on the taskbar unless I have explicitly exited them as well...which is quite strange. You would think that exiting the main mux window would exit all of them.

Aside from this window clunkiness (which I hope can be changed as it really kills the tweaking workflow), I have found no issues and it is running very reliably.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:27 pm

I'm researching this windowing issue.

Can you please point me to another vst plugin that also uses sub-windows and that handles them all right?

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:43 pm

mutools wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Enjoy windows users
It's a matter of time.
I'm sorry the OSX version comes later.
It's a consequence of Apple being so unfriendly to developers.
Therefore it's much harder to find the relevant dev info.
And then things are changing all the time. Not an easy platform.
But still an important one, so i'll research MUX Vst 4 OSX too!

If you need any assistance, let me know. I'm pretty familiar with developing on OS X

> DiGiT < · Post by **> DiGiT <** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:20 am

Crackbaby wrote:
> DiGiT < wrote:that mux vst is great inside maschine, and the jthalamus plugin works perfect with midi bussing. awesome!

where can i buy it?
How do you use it? To get sidechain? I haven't used the mux editor before apart from some ten min testing..

you should check out plugins called jthalamus and jsoundbus

http://asen-zett.zarkoasenov.com/zerovjane

the jthalamus plugin works as a midi patch from anywhere in the maschine architecture to wherever you are hosting mux vst, for as many patches as you wish! its old tho and doesnt seem to save settings in maschine, although it does in mux vst.

the jsoundbus works pretty good the same way only for audio. it does have a delay though, so not perfect solution. the way you did it seems to work best so far.

i couldnt get senderella to work.

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:20 am

Round robin/Randomize
Stream from disk
User UI
Spawn to new VST

And you have a Kontakt beater that I know of at least 30 sample developers have been waiting for
My thoughts are do the free and UL versions as you plan, but add a pro version that has only one extra feature, spawn to new VST, put an extra $100 or so on its price and you are on to a serious winner, SM and SE are both horribly shite for sample based VSTi and Kontakt is not only unfriendly in terms of licence fee but also the scripting is a bit obtuse

Besides that it will be a good plugin but with the ideas i mention could well become the biggest development environment for VST plugins

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:24 am

Oh also oscilator shapes from text files hahaha (A table of floats, i can send you one if you need to see it)

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:44 am

I always wanted to make a drummaschine where you can assign velocity to several parameters like Attack, decay, sustain, release, volume (obviously!), sample start, filter, resonance, filter ADSR (depth and a, d, s, r), effects like distortion, bit reduction, samplerate reduction, maybe phaser depth for more sound sculpting options .. what else .... pitch, parametric eq (freq, width, gain) ....... maybe that's it!

Is this possible with the current Mux? I suppose all that's needed is the ability to route velocity as a .. modulator? Not 100% knowledgeable about mux yet, but i did have some fun tonight figuring it out

zendorf · Post by **zendorf** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:59 pm

mutools wrote:I'm researching this windowing issue.

Can you please point me to another vst plugin that also uses sub-windows and that handles them all right?

No sorry, I can't really think of any multi windowed vst. I did try to install Bidule as a vst to see how it dealt with it, but couldn't get the demo to install. It is the only vst that I could think of that was remotely like the Mux, but I really have no experience with it. By the looks of it, the floating windows reside within the main larger one.

Playing with the mux vst, I am now finding that often the minimised windows don't want to restore until I have exited the main mux window. Even though they are on the taskbar they don't want to budge.

Is there a way of having each new floating window replace the previous one and then use arrows to go back and forth between them, much like a web browser? Not perfect , but a possible solution, as there is then only one floating window plus the main mux window.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:03 pm

zendorf wrote:
mutools wrote:I'm researching this windowing issue.

Can you please point me to another vst plugin that also uses sub-windows and that handles them all right?
No sorry, I can't really think of any multi windowed vst. I did try to install Bidule as a vst to see how it dealt with it, but couldn't get the demo to install. It is the only vst that I could think of that was remotely like the Mux, but I really have no experience with it. By the looks of it, the floating windows reside within the main larger one.

Playing with the mux vst, I am now finding that often the minimised windows don't want to restore until I have exited the main mux window. Even though they are on the taskbar they don't want to budge.

Is there a way of having each new floating window replace the previous one and then use arrows to go back and forth between them, much like a web browser? Not perfect , but a possible solution, as there is then only one floating window plus the main mux window.

Or maybe a mini taskbar inside the MUX ?

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:17 pm

There is a new test version of the MUX Vst in http://www.mutools.com/mux/cedar

What's changed:

Finetuned sub-window handling.
On loading a host project, all previously used Samples and Multi-Samples are cleaned up.
Added demo version noise & user key registration.
Internal optimizations.

You can use this temporary test user key to avoid the demo noise:

[MUX4#eirKbF9+A7rdzXPV7sImvTQ32DxItBPN7Skv7lCcCfFGLCOcODIC5Rz5IDZqgejcVcqa-C9z]

About the window management:

Note that in the previous version the sub-windows were not 'minimized' when clicking the host window, but they may be covered by the host window, and therefore invisible.

With this new version sub-windows are not hidden by the main host window anymore. But there is one consequence i can't avoid: The main vst window cannot come in front of the sub-windows. At this point i don't see how this can be avoided unless there is a stable way to get the window handle of the host window (the most relevant one if multiple). But that's not covered by the VST specs. At this point i don't see any other solutions.

Is this new version better, workflow-wise? Please feedback.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:47 pm

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:16 am

Mr Mutools, can we please have a "this plugin will not cost more than this"-estimation? I hate to fall in love with something and then having to let it go..

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:28 am

If it's still open for requests..: A module window you can always have open (to avoid the rightclick, add module). Resizeable* windows (though i faintly remember reading something about this a long time ago, in another thread maybe?)

*how do you spell that? My spellingchecker gives me a red line and no alternatives

Edit:
Doubleclick = opens module window (fast enough i guess

)
Resize** = Move pointer to edge of window and get the "hand", click and resize!

**Getting error on "resize" also ... did the world change and no one informed me?

There is a word like that, right?!

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:33 am

On portableapps.com theres an app, called DM2 I think, that can roll windows into there title bar. Is this useful at all for hiding subwindows without them being completely hidden? Or have a taskbar in mux or use windows taskbar? You could have a pane in mux that shows all subwindows by name. Or a button dropdown menu listing subwindows.

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