KVR Audio

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:31 pm

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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:33 pm

myrna wrote:Let's say if one day I'll switch from DAW A to DAW B and want to tra sfer my songs, i just export the midis and arm the tracks with the same plugins.

Ah, dontcha just love someone who uses the word 'just' like that. Its that miracle word that renders all possible obstacles, no matter how significant, into meaningless trivialities... the grammatical embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect...

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:36 pm

seems reason fans live in the fear of crash... as if the only important element of a song is "that was made in a never crashing daw"?! I mean, i understand "the workflow" and all the bullshit, but I prefer to play my pianoteq in the buggy Logic than renounce it using the "rock solid" reason. Since I am not playing live, but just composing.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:36 pm

myrna wrote:AU and RTAS/AAX are only derivative clones of VST. AU because of the apple's manthra "we are different, we are better, we think this and that"; RTAS because Protools had to accept and realize that steinberg's native technology works (see Nuendo), despite their expensive TDM hardware boards.

Just to be clear, RTAS is derivative of TDM. TDM plugin format was released THREE YEARS before VST. RTAS was only created as a host-based derivative of the TDM system in 1999 when they released the digi 001. When this occurred, TDM was already being supported in multiple hosts.

I'm not actually sure if there's been much in this thread you've said that hasn't been objectively incorrect.

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:37 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
myrna wrote:Let's say if one day I'll switch from DAW A to DAW B and want to tra sfer my songs, i just export the midis and arm the tracks with the same plugins.
Ah, dontcha just love someone who uses the word 'just' like that. Its that miracle word that renders all possible obstacles, no matter how significant, into meaningless trivialities... the grammatical embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect...

sorry for mistakes, i am italian. I speak spaghettenglish.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:37 pm

myrna wrote:seems reason fans live in the fear of crash... as if the only important element of a song is "that was made in a never crashing daw"?! I mean, i understand "the workflow" and all the bullshit, but I prefer to play my pianoteq in the buggy Logic than renounce it using the "rock solid" reason. Since I am not playing live, but just composing.

+1

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:39 pm

myrna wrote:Let's say if one day I'll switch from DAW A to DAW B and want to transfer my songs, i just export the midis and arm the tracks with the same plugins. It's not that difficult.

You clearly don't do complex routing. It's not that easy. I have some tracks on 1/4" 8-track tape that I don't have access to. I think that this is more of a perceived concern than an actual concern.

Finish your tracks, write the stems, save the midi to be chopped up independently later, and move on to new things!

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:40 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
myrna wrote:Let's say if one day I'll switch from DAW A to DAW B and want to tra sfer my songs, i just export the midis and arm the tracks with the same plugins.
Ah, dontcha just love someone who uses the word 'just' like that. Its that miracle word that renders all possible obstacles, no matter how significant, into meaningless trivialities... the grammatical embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect...

+2 (1 for the post, 1 for the Dunning-Kruger effect)

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:41 pm

Robert Randolph wrote:
myrna wrote:AU and RTAS/AAX are only derivative clones of VST. AU because of the apple's manthra "we are different, we are better, we think this and that"; RTAS because Protools had to accept and realize that steinberg's native technology works (see Nuendo), despite their expensive TDM hardware boards.
Just to be clear, RTAS is derivative of TDM. TDM plugin format was released THREE YEARS before VST. RTAS was only created as a host-based derivative of the TDM system in 1999 when they released the digi 001. When this occurred, TDM was already being supported in multiple hosts.

I'm not actually sure if there's been much in this thread you've said that hasn't been objectively incorrect.

TDM is not native. The inventor of native instruments (not the brand, the technology) was Steinberg in 1996.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:43 pm

myrna wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
myrna wrote:AU and RTAS/AAX are only derivative clones of VST. AU because of the apple's manthra "we are different, we are better, we think this and that"; RTAS because Protools had to accept and realize that steinberg's native technology works (see Nuendo), despite their expensive TDM hardware boards.
Just to be clear, RTAS is derivative of TDM. TDM plugin format was released THREE YEARS before VST. RTAS was only created as a host-based derivative of the TDM system in 1999 when they released the digi 001. When this occurred, TDM was already being supported in multiple hosts.

I'm not actually sure if there's been much in this thread you've said that hasn't been objectively incorrect.
TDM is not native. The inventor of native instruments (not the brand, the technology) was Steinberg in 1996.

That's still not correct.

Whatever. I give up.

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:49 pm

so now the inventors of virtual instruments are Protools?!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:54 pm

myrna wrote:TDM is not native.

and the goalposts, predictably, move again.

The inventor of native instruments (not the brand, the technology) was Steinberg in 1996.

Except the VST standard didnt support MIDI input, and hence instruments, until 1999. Amusingly, NI had a native instrument' version of Reaktor out in 1998, but other software 'native instruments' were running before that, such as Reality in 1997, or Audio Architect which actually was on v4 in 1999.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_ar ... ality.html
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep98/a ... rator.html
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/a ... ioarch.htm

facts arent your strong point, are they?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:55 pm

myrna wrote:so now the inventors of virtual instruments are Protools?!

that strawman is big enough to be wicker.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:57 pm

Ugh. I was tricked.

simesf · Post by **simesf** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:05 pm

headquest wrote:Funny thing is, if Propellerhead *did* introduce VST support in (say) Reason 8.5, all the people who are currently anti-VST will be saying "WOW!! AWESOME!! Propellerheads are just freaking AMAZING!! THANK YOU!!" ... and stuff like that.

Some people just like whatever Propellerhead do, and that's fine.

For my part, while you people were debating how much you love or hate VST, I've been playing around with Arturia's Minimoog synth - a $229 VST that they just gave away for free!! Funny thing is that having used Reason for so many years I've generally not tried that many VST alternatives. But trying this today I'm thinking ... wow - this really is great. The sound it makes is way better than any of the synths in Reason, for sure. And <shock horror> it hasn't caused my laptop to have BSOD a single time yet

Please Headquest; this is a 'Reason is awful in every way and they use dongles/no it isn't/yes it is' thread not an 'Arturia are awful in every way and they use dongles/no they aren't/yes they are' thread. Please don't confuse us all by bringing in another excellent product that the haters gotta hate.

But yes; Arturia make some great stuff.

Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...