Berlin Modular (ancient thread)

[Urs]

The multiples cost cpu, but not that much.

Multiple inputs for parameters other than tuning (oscillators, filters) would require a fair bit of screen estate for rather exotic applications - who ever uses two LFOs or such to modulate resonance or pulse width? And of course, most of the times one would want to have separate depth parameters. I believe that adding multiple inputs at *each* socket will create too much processing and explanation overhead.

It will also make daisy chaining a bit of a travesty. If you connect two inputs that are already busy, which way is the signal going to flow? Both ways?

Daisy chaining atm isn't perfect (there's a bug allowing for ghost cables) but I think it's highly preferrable over multiple inputs.

Cheers,

Urs

[Tom Drinkwater]

thanks Urs for the reply!

The multiples cost cpu, but not that much.

Multiple inputs for parameters other than tuning (oscillators, filters) would require a fair bit of screen estate for rather exotic applications - who ever uses two LFOs or such to modulate resonance or pulse width?

I do... although more commonly I guess I use one lfo which is rate modulated by another, but i've also mixed them. And I wouldn't want multiple separate visible inputs at great screen expense as you say, but i might use stacking.

And of course, most of the times one would want to have separate depth parameters.

agreed, although some modules have output level controls that can achieve this.

I believe that adding multiple inputs at *each* socket will create too much processing and explanation overhead.

this is the bit I don't understand. surely any extra mix processing would only kick in when an extra cable was connected?

It will also make daisy chaining a bit of a travesty. If you connect two inputs that are already busy, which way is the signal going to flow? Both ways?

I didn't know daisy chaining was even allowed, I'll have to try it. I presume it has the same effect as just connecting both ins to the same out?

If departing from analogue verisimilitude anyway, then directional cables would solve the signal flow issue. The dragging cables action is already directional.

Anyway I'm not suggesting anything specific, just trying to better understand the choices that have been made.

BTW I just bought ACE and DIVA - I hope you feel loved, i'm really enjoying all these synths! When I've recovered from that I intend to get Zebra too, unless the full BM comes out first...

[Urs]

Thanks Tom, very appreciated

I believe that adding multiple inputs at *each* socket will create too much processing and explanation overhead.

this is the bit I don't understand. surely any extra mix processing would only kick in when an extra cable was connected?

Because of the nature of the all-audio-rate and mostly-latency-free connectivity, every single socket has to be computed as a lookup, load, multiply and add operation. Those make up a fair bit of the cpu usage.

Here's the paradox: The modularity is bought by dropping modularity (!). Instead of calculating every module by itself we need to calculate the whole system as one. This avoids latencies between any separate calculation of modules.

So in a way, Zebra is much more modular than ACE or Bazille, but you can't patch back against the flow. If you want to patch in circular fashion, you can't have the option to leave things out of the loop.

Urs

[justin3am]

I really appreciate your willingness to describe what is going on under the hood of your products, Urs. I remember the first time you described this concept of Bazille always being processed as a whole (as opposed to one module at a time) it kind of boggled my mind. I think I understand a bit better now.

It's funny how Bazille has become one of the few softsynths I use on a regular basis. In fact, I use it to prototype patches that I want to try on my analog modular (the layout of my modular is, purposefully, very similar to the layout of Bazille). It will be nice when I can finally compensate you for your efforts on this wonderful instrument.

[Teezdalien]

I really appreciate your willingness to describe what is going on under the hood of your products, Urs. I remember the first time you described this concept of Bazille always being processed as a whole (as opposed to one module at a time) it kind of boggled my mind. I think I understand a bit better now.

It's funny how Bazille has become one of the few softsynths I use on a regular basis. In fact, I use it to prototype patches that I want to try on my analog modular (the layout of my modular is, purposefully, very similar to the layout of Bazille). It will be nice when I can finally compensate you for your efforts on this wonderful instrument.

+1.

Also thanks to you Justin for sharing your mind boggling sounds and patching tips. I'm still a modular n00b so it's been a great help to me and am enjoying working with bazille and ACE immensely.

[tommyzai]

What's the latest ETA?

[Urs]

What's the latest ETA?

I really can't say. We make great progress on all those annoying topics that keep us from doing what we would love to do. But our center of attention will be Zebra for a while.

[tommyzai]

What's the latest ETA?

I really can't say. We make great progress on all those annoying topics that keep us from doing what we would love to do. But our center of attention will be Zebra for a while.

Thanks for the fast reply. Well, Zebra certainly deserves attention . . . not that she needs it, but updates are always welcome. Is there an ETA on the Zebra update release?

[Urs]

What's the latest ETA?

I really can't say. We make great progress on all those annoying topics that keep us from doing what we would love to do. But our center of attention will be Zebra for a while.

Thanks for the fast reply. Well, Zebra certainly deserves attention . . . not that she needs it, but updates are always welcome. Is there an ETA on the Zebra update release?

We're eager to release it this year.

[Alfa210]

A few glitches

http://picload.org/view/dggcclo/glitches.png.html

left-click+drug then right-click and vice-versa..

[sagetone]

Hello,

Not feeling very smart here... Running 0.5 and I've looked and looked and can't find the patch manager. How do I open it up?

Thank you,

Todd

[aMUSEd]

Top left - "presets"

[sagetone]

aMUSEd, that doesn't do anything here. Running Sonar X1, and the preset function just brings up a drop down of eight presets. No patch manager or file browser.

[aMUSEd]

Unless something (else) is broken in Sonar (which wouldn't entirely surprise me) it sounds like you're clicking on the top centre preset window, which brings the list of presets, not the one on the left of that labelled "presets" which should open the browser.

[justin3am]

Or he may be using an earlier version of Bazille (v0.4 and earlier didn't have the patch browser).
Download v0.5 and see if that fixes the problem.