Native Instruments Maschine Discontinued ??

[TabSel]

The hardware will be replaced to fit new features of the software. The old controller will eventually become incompatible more and more over time. So, you can call it partially discontinuation of the current Maschine.

Wrong...

Just a notice to others.
I researched a lot about Kore and read about rumours of a discontinuation and rumours of a Kore 3 successor being "wrong" by NI moderators, inofficials, though I thought they would have some more knowledge... It was me and my faith which was wrong.

Don't believe a "wrong" from inofficials, even though they sound quite knowledgable. Where at least "ew" was and is very helpful, bunnywrench, not being a moderator at all, is constantly killing other peoples opinions quite successfully, accusing them of whining and what not not...

Don't.
Believe.

(me neither, just get a picture... Wait until you feel sure)

gn8

[billcarroll]

I have a Kore controller in my closet if anyone wants to buy it. I hear they might support that again soon

I bought Maschine. Great hardware and great software. The samples are absolutely terrific. All in all, I love the product and $399 is ridiculously inexpensive.

However, I supported Kore and got burned. I'm still stinging from that and I bought Maschine with a great deal of reservation because of the Kore debacle. I think there was some upgrade or cross grade from Kore, but I never got an email or heard anything about it until too late. Honestly I still don't know what the deal was if there was one.

Even though I believe NI will continue to move Maschine forward, I can see why people might speculate. We have been burned before. I'm banking on NI supporting current Maschine hardware and innovating with the software.

I still laugh at having to buy Komplete ULTIMATE to actually get a "complete" set of NI software. The rules and words seem to bend. NI's terminology can be as confusing as Microsoft's.

Almost Nearly Komplete, Elements II with The Finger, Maschine Edition. (lube not included)

[bunnywrench]

My controller is half a year old, after being fooled into a crossgrade to a soon to be partially discontinued hardware/software combo. I bought Kore immediately before it got discontinued.

Unimpressed. We all know many Kore owners were butthurt after it was discontinued but what's new?

It's very disingenuous for you to perpetuate the false rumor that Maschine is a "soon to be partially discontinued hardware/software combo" even if that makes you feel better about your Kore being discontinued (which still works just the same as when you bought it).

[Uncle E]

I just heard from a NI dealer here in LA that Maschine was going to get discontinued.
He said NI is going to come out with a new version or new controller within 3 to 4 months and that's why they lowered the price drastically.
Can any of you guys confirm this ?

While that's a fair conclusion to draw from the recent price drops, it's still pure conjecture at this point.

I <3 Maschine.

[TabSel]

Same can be said to you:

It's very disingenuous for you to perpetuate the false rumor that Maschine is not a "soon to be partially discontinued hardware/software combo".

Just sayin.

Let people have and build their own opinion and try to help them learning from your own faults. AND learn from your own faults yourself!

And don't call them names, or whiners, or... When they just have a different opinion than you.

[Uncle E]

It's very disingenuous for you to perpetuate the false rumor that Maschine is not a "soon to be partially discontinued hardware/software combo".

That's not a false rumor. You're buying into conjecture as if it's the truth.

[cryophonik]

I just heard from a NI dealer...

Was it Guitar Center? If so, I'm sure we could provide you with a looooooong list of BS that GC guys have told us.

But, in all seriousness, this can easily be boiled down to "guy on internet heard something from someone", and I personally would be more apt to believe Keir or another NI rep's first-person response. I'm not saying that you didn't hear that, and it may even turn out to be (somewhat or fully) true. But, you have to understand why some of us might be skeptical, even in light of the recent Kore debacle.

[TabSel]

It's very disingenuous for you to perpetuate the false rumor that Maschine is not a "soon to be partially discontinued hardware/software combo".

That's not a false rumor. You're buying into conjecture as if it's the truth.

Maybe it is?

A week or so after I got Kore, I actively read the forums. There again was some guy in the internet, who knew someone, who said Kore will be discontinued. The rumours spread and inofficials, even officials tried to calm people down, these just were rumours, there will soon be a statement, don't worry....

And Kore got discontinued, sound packs vanished from the store as well, from one day to the other etc...


It could well be the truth. It need not have to be the truth though.

But maybe this thread prevent people from being fooled into a product line by the current sales, which soon will be outdated? Maybe people will be angry cause they were unsure of buying now, and Maschines price will raise again...?

[bunnywrench]

A week or so after I got Kore, I actively read the forums. There again was some guy in the internet, who knew someone, who said Kore will be discontinued. The rumours spread and inofficials, even officials tried to calm people down, these just were rumours, there will soon be a statement, don't worry....

And Kore got discontinued, sound packs vanished from the store as well, from one day to the other etc...


It could well be the truth. It need not have to be the truth though.

But maybe this thread prevent people from being fooled into a product line by the current sales, which soon will be outdated? Maybe people will be angry cause they were unsure of buying now, and Maschines price will raise again...?

lol Look, we all know how butthurt you are about Kore being discontinued but that has nothing to do with the future of Maschine. In fact, discontinuing Kore was necessary for NI to move forward:

"Excluding Kore from the future roadmap gives the developers more time for all the other products, so in that sense it makes further discontinuations less likely in the first place."

"all other current products will continue to be developed for a long time to come, with absolutely no plans to the contrary. You can take that as an official word from me."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... stcount=16

And NI has been very clear about the future of Maschine:

"Maschine has become one of the central products in the NI portfolio in record time, it has one of the biggest team of developers, designers and product managers behind it and a comprehensive roadmap ahead of it. The notion that it could be considered for discontinuation is just completely nonsensical.

To put some perspective on the hysteria that some people have been trying to whip up: Traktor and Kontakt have been in constant development for 10 years, and Reaktor has been maintained since 15 years now. There is no reason to believe that Maschine will not progress and grow further for at least the same amount of time."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... stcount=36

[Uncle E]

It could well be the truth. It need not have to be the truth though.

This is fine, let's just not speak as if anyone really knows what's going on.

That said, I understand where you're coming from and certainly agree that NI has done this in the past, discounted products and then discontinue them after. However, NI has also not done this in the past, by which I mean that they sometimes just discount things without discontinuing them.

[TabSel]

Yes, was said about Kore, too, even marketed as NI's Core, as Future OF Sound.

It's not about Kore here, the topic is "Maschine about to be discontinued".
We discuss, you say "wrong", I say, me be true, would be the second time time for me to buy into a product line soon to be "old", even when compatible in whatever form with the software.

They have two, three products, which live for years already and evolve further. They have dozens of discontinued products, too. One of them being a hardware/software combo, once central to NI, too.

Quoting one year old phrases is comparable to the progress of the current Maschine hw/software in the past year. No progress from your side, you won't take away my experiences with NI, cause my experiences are fact, whereas your quotes are just words.

You'll find a lot of words about how NI handles product discontinuation and new product generations brought to market over at NIs Kore forum for example.

[TabSel]

It could well be the truth. It need not have to be the truth though.

This is fine, let's just not speak as if anyone really knows what's going on.

Like bunny?

Might be a language problem from my side, too, being from Germany, sorry

[Uncle E]

Like bunny?

Might be a language problem from my side, too, being from Germany, sorry

The only thing we absolutely know is that Maschine is currently discounted. Anything beyond that is conjecture.

[ew]

The hardware will be replaced to fit new features of the software. The old controller will eventually become incompatible more and more over time. So, you can call it partially discontinuation of the current Maschine.

Wrong...

Just a notice to others.
I researched a lot about Kore and read about rumours of a discontinuation and rumours of a Kore 3 successor being "wrong" by NI moderators, inofficials, though I thought they would have some more knowledge... It was me and my faith which was wrong.

Don't believe a "wrong" from inofficials, even though they sound quite knowledgable. Where at least "ew" was and is very helpful, bunnywrench, not being a moderator at all, is constantly killing other peoples opinions quite successfully, accusing them of whining and what not not...

Don't.
Believe.

(me neither, just get a picture... Wait until you feel sure)

gn8

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I can't remember any moderator speaking about a Kore 3- and I was the moderator of the Kore forum. Actually, I still am, but due to other things going on in my life, I've been there very little in the last year and a half.

I was as surprised as anybody about the Kore announcement, though I should have guessed when they put plugin hosting in Maschine. But, Kore's still very usable; the last version runs fine in both 32 and 64 bit on my W7 systems.

As far as Maschine goes, the success has exceeded everybody's expectations. I remember talking to Daniel Haver and Mate Galic at NAMM right after the press conference announcing Maschine; we were wondering whether people would like it as much as we did. We talked again at the anniversary party in January; the answer was an emphatic yes, they do. Why would you kill off something that profitable?

ew

[awol9000]

I think even if the head of NI came on here saying Maschine wasn't being discontinued you would still see the same people disagreeing.

Bunnywrench is right and at least backs it up with evidence from NI.