[MXXX] Modulation Suggestions

[Satch1]

Hello Vojtech,

I know the preset phase has started now so I'm not sure whether you will welcome any more suggestions at the moment, but I think these will be of benefit to MXXX, so here goes.

1. The ability to edit lfo custom shapes just like in Rhythmizer. So, snap to bpm grid.

2.The ability to modulate a single parameter with multiple mod sources simultaneously.

Lastly, I've noticed a bug I think, or maybe just a limitation. Nothing major anyway. The shift click floating plugin editors don't show the movement of a modulated parameter accurately. It's very jumpy.

Cheers

[MeldaProduction]

Hello Vojtech,

I know the preset phase has started now so I'm not sure whether you will welcome any more suggestions at the moment, but I think these will be of benefit to MXXX, so here goes.

Well, ideas are always welcome .

1. The ability to edit lfo custom shapes just like in Rhythmizer. So, snap to bpm grid.

Ok, added to to-do.

2.The ability to modulate a single parameter with multiple mod sources simultaneously.

Well, now you can always mix LFO and the selected source (if not in normal, thus LFO, mode). I was thinking about this, but it seems too complicated to use and I'm not sure how useful that would be.

Lastly, I've noticed a bug I think, or maybe just a limitation. Nothing major anyway. The shift click floating plugin editors don't show the movement of a modulated parameter accurately. It's very jumpy.

Cheers

Yes, well, this is more like "CPU saving".

[farfadetfarfelu]

Here's another one for the modulation (this would help me in building my presets and could be useful on all melda vsts) :

If a modulator in used individually, when turned of, it always goes back to it's initial default value.
But if a multiparameter is used to turn a modulator on and off, the modulator will stop at a random value.

Request : when turned of a modulator should always stop at a specified default value.

[Satch1]

Thanks very much for adding custom shape sync to the list. Will this be included in the processor lfo's aswell?

I've been playing about with the lfo's some more and I've discovered that by modulating an lfo's value, and range parameters with another lfo I can achieve results much the same as modulating a single parameter with multiple lfo's. I can then use another lfo to modulate the 2nd lfo's value, and so on.

I like to do this kind of modulation while I'm programing synth patches, usually with 2 or 3 lfo's synced to the beat with different sync rates, modulating the filter for example. It really gets the sound moving in interesting ways and it's really quick to experiment with different sync rates and waveforms. This is the reason I wanted to do it in MXXX.

One drawback of modulating other lfo's though, is, that only the value and range parameters of an lfo's 1st destination appear in the parameter select list. It would be nice to be able to modulate the value and range of all destinations of an lfo.

I hope that is clear.

Cheers

[Satch1]

Here's another one for the modulation (this would help me in building my presets and could be useful on all melda vsts) :

If a modulator in used individually, when turned of, it always goes back to it's initial default value.
But if a multiparameter is used to turn a modulator on and off, the modulator will stop at a random value.

Request : when turned of a modulator should always stop at a specified default value.

+1
I would much prefer it to behave like this.

EDIT: Having said that it appears to me that when using a multiparameter to turn off a modulator, the parameter stays where it was when switched off. It doesn't stop at a random value. This could have its uses also, so maybe it would be best to have the option to have it work either way?

[MeldaProduction]

Ok folks so :

1) Disable LFO using LFO / multiparam -> not random value. Well, optional, ok.

2) Modulating range of multiple targets - well, you can do it using a trick - don't map the LFO to the parameters themselves, but rather a multiparameter. The multiparameter will then control the parameters. By changing the range of modulation for the multiparameter, you'll control all parameter ranges.
And to make it more complicated, the multiparameter may control other multiparameters or LFOs etc...

[farfadetfarfelu]

Here's another one for the modulation (this would help me in building my presets and could be useful on all melda vsts) :

If a modulator in used individually, when turned of, it always goes back to it's initial default value.
But if a multiparameter is used to turn a modulator on and off, the modulator will stop at a random value.

Request : when turned of a modulator should always stop at a specified default value.

+1
I would much prefer it to behave like this.

EDIT: Having said that it appears to me that when using a multiparameter to turn off a modulator, the parameter stays where it was when switched off. It doesn't stop at a random value. This could have its uses also, so maybe it would be best to have the option to have it work either way?

Ah you're correct it stops where it was when switched of apparently.
I agree the option between this and a specific off value would be just perfect !

[Satch1]

Ok folks so :

1) Disable LFO using LFO / multiparam -> not random value. Well, optional, ok.

2) Modulating range of multiple targets - well, you can do it using a trick - don't map the LFO to the parameters themselves, but rather a multiparameter. The multiparameter will then control the parameters. By changing the range of modulation for the multiparameter, you'll control all parameter ranges.
And to make it more complicated, the multiparameter may control other multiparameters or LFOs etc...

1) Thanks And thanks farfadetfarfelu for bringing it up.

2) That's a nice trick, but only if you want to modulate the range of multiple targets with the same modulator. What if you want to use a different modulation source for each targets range or value?

Say I have an LFO set up to modulate multiple parameters, and I decide I want to modulate the range and/or value for each target in that LFO, with different modulation sources. It would be so much easier, and take up less modulators or multiparameters, if I could modulate the range and/or value of each target in the one LFO. Because it's not possible I have to setup multiple LFO's or multiparameters to control a single target each, and then use wahatever other modulations I need to control the values and ranges of these. This still gets the job done, and I love MXXX for being able to do this at all, but it just makes more sense to me to be able to do it the first way. Maybe it's because most synths I program do it this way, so it just feels right to me.

Anyway, whatever you decide, MXXX still rocks, but something to consider.... I hope.

[MeldaProduction]

Well, there's a trouble - the number of parameters is not limited, so it would have to be like some limited number of them with modulated range ... Quite honestly it seems too problematic for how often (or more like rare) you would use it.

[Satch1]

Yeah, I can understand having to limit it, but having the 1st 3 or 4 targets avilable for modulation would probably be enough. I quite often use one LFO to modulate multiple targets. Sometimes it just works best modulating multiple targets with the same shape with varying depths. I also often like to manipulate the modulation depths with other modulators and/or using velocity, aftertouch or the mod wheel etc. It is not so rare for me to do these things. Anyway I understand that MXXX is already a very complicated piece of software, and if you feel it's too problematic to implement then I'm cool with that. 16 LFO's and multiparameters plus the processor LFO's and midi control. Not too bad really is it.

Cheers!

[MeldaProduction]

Well, I'll add it to to-do list... we'll see... there are some further problems...

[Satch1]

Okay, thanks, much appreciated. I hope said problems will be overcome.

Oh, and thanks for the new update, glad to be able to open the midi settings again.