KVR Audio

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:40 pm

Paul_FX wrote:
antithesist wrote:
Paul_FX wrote:
antithesist wrote:So, there's no over-sampling on freecomp? I think I read that the DCAM Dynamics processors are 2X by default and 4X in HD mode.
Freecomp is fixed at 2x over sampling.
Another question: is the freecomp and buscomp 2:1 ratio soft-kneed and 4:1/10:1 hard?
That knee varies as the ratio changes, its not simply a soft-hard swap over, each of the ratio has a slightly different knee characteristic.

None are what i would count as being a 'hard' knee tho, FWIW; All of the knees have curvature (my definition of a hard knee being an obvious change over point between compressed and not compressed)

-Paul

Thanks, I thought there was supposed to be a pretty drastic difference between 2:1 and 4:1/10:1.

http://www.uaudio.com/blog/uad-4k-chann ... ompressor/

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:45 pm

Angus_FX wrote:VitaminD - true, but both serve a similar role from a promotional standpoint. In any case - highly unlikely that we'll be doing any more no-brainers on existing products for the time being.

I hope the knucklehead comments here didn't sway you against the no-brainer deals.

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:52 pm

Angus_FX wrote:evo2slo - listening yes, but I have significant reservations about VST3 (philosophical, process, engineering, commercial); when thinking about the other things we could do with the engineering & QA time needed, I just can't see it being a priority.

Thanks Angus, good to know.

VST3 or not, these plugs are way too good to pass up. So well thought out with the mix, bias, saturation, sidechain, listen, oversampling, and midi control. And the interfaces are very fast for my workflow. $99 for three compressors and an envelope shaper of this quality and these features is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. (now if I can only convince my wife)

I've added some quadro group channels to my start up Cubase template for quicker external sidechaining - now I'm good to go!

twolegstoneworks · Post by **twolegstoneworks** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:14 pm

VitaminD wrote:
Angus_FX wrote:VitaminD - true, but both serve a similar role from a promotional standpoint. In any case - highly unlikely that we'll be doing any more no-brainers on existing products for the time being.

I hope the knucklehead comments here didn't sway you against the no-brainer deals.

Knucklehead comments?.. was that really necessary?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:42 pm

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knobs · Post by **knobs** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:27 pm

metal wrote:Knucklehead comments?.. was that really necessary?

yes.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:43 pm

knobs wrote:
metal wrote:Knucklehead comments?.. was that really necessary?
yes.

*nod* I'm afraid so.

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:49 pm

Can we please move on from all the no-brainer controversy (CP, too)? They have their copy protection/registration system established and they're using it for freecomp, too. That's unlikely to change.

They did the one AM plug-in no-brainer that I'm glad I got in on now, and they've indicated that they're unlikely to do more in the near future. It was offered that the freecomp is a no-brainer. Actually, maybe they should have charged a few dollars/pounds/euros/drachma for it and called it something else.

I suppose that at $25 per plug-in, the dynamics package is technically a no-brainer too. I'm not sold on it yet. Without an intro incentive, and since I have the basic types covered with at least one other plug-in, I'll wait.

There also seems to be something in between bad-blood and aggressive competition with another developer. I'll also wait to see which way that leans and, uh... what drops. But in the meantime, I'd like to learn more about these dynamics processors.

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:21 am

antithesist wrote:But in the meantime, I'd like to learn more about these dynamics processors.

+1

I'm really interested in the 1176 emulation -- DCAM ChanComp -- and how it compares to the others available out there like the UAD 1176 Classic Limiter Plug-In Collection and NI VC 76, etc.

How can we do a compressor shootout?

evo2slo · Post by **evo2slo** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:27 am

billcarroll wrote:
antithesist wrote:But in the meantime, I'd like to learn more about these dynamics processors.
+1

I'm really interested in the 1176 emulation -- DCAM ChanComp -- and how it compares to the others available out there like the UAD 1176 Classic Limiter Plug-In Collection and NI VC 76, etc.

How can we do a compressor shootout?

I compared the ChanComp to the T-Racks Black 76, on a drum bus, and found the attack, release and ratio characteristics very similar between the two. I am rather glad FXpansion did not make the attack and release rotate backwards. Not having personal experience with the hardware, it was refreshing for me to be able to rotate these in "the right way."

However, after dialing in the basic settings, and getting a very similar sound between Black 76 and ChanComp, just a small tweak to the Bias knob on the ChanComp was able to deliver me straight to the sweet spot. I love this knob!

According to the manual: "The Bias control continuously varies between different capacitor values which were used on various hardware revisions of the hardware on which the ChanComp is based.
Settings between -25% and +25% result in subtle sonic variations in the compression characteristics. More extreme settings are useful for driving the compression circuit hard."

I found that very small adjustments to the Bias could really loosen or tighten the compression in a fine-tuning type of way that, for me, really gives ChanComp the edge. Get the attack, release, and ratio as good as you can, then give that Bias knob a little twist and BOOM... magic. Having a mix knob right there is nice as well. The Black 76 on the other hand has a much nicer meter, and mid/side processing - which is good to have but not something I personally would use a whole lot. Someone familiar with the hardware may prefer it for it's more authentic interface.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Compressors are like assholes... or opinions... or... something like that...

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:22 am

Good info, thanks.

That alone will probably move the set into my "get in the future" column.

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:43 am

antithesist wrote:Can we please move on from all the no-brainer controversy (CP, too)? They have their copy protection/registration system established and they're using it for freecomp, too. That's unlikely to change.

There also seems to be something in between bad-blood and aggressive competition with another developer. I'll also wait to see which way that leans and, uh... what drops. But in the meantime, I'd like to learn more about these dynamics processors.

Hardly controversy. Lots of people got a great deal for a pretty nice and creative filter. I personally thought it was a bit cheap and soon after the release, but still bought it.

I think it's a reasonable marketing experiment by a company, I just feel for them that it didn't work out as planned in terms of new users. Reality seems to be that more YouTube demo's and name dropping 'stars' are a better approach!!

I doubt the no brainer wasn't trying to undercut other filter plug ins due out soon - thought maybe etch was released with some of that buzz in mind. Anyway at $20, having etch wouldn't stop people picking up another filter in the future even if it was really good....

SKoT_FX · Post by **SKoT_FX** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:40 am

I can assure you Etch business decision's were completely independent of any of conspiracy. The project brief was very much: "Righty, we have a good transmod framework... how quickly can we make a New Thing? (time passes) Ahha! Righty, we have a reasonably-fast-dev'ed product we can afford to try out a few new marketing things on, petri-dishes activated..."

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:08 am

_leras wrote:
khanyz wrote:Even the free version is C/R! One to forget until it's $20. Then maybe worth a demo.
Says the helpful douche selling fabfilter products from his sig....

phhtttt...

And how are they related? FabFilter use Key Files and I'm not selling them. I'm just trying to get a discount on them so I can get more of them. Something I'd never do for C/R software.

And if you look at the work I do, for free, for smaller devs, you'll see I'm very helpful. And more a pushy jerk, if anything. It's not that bad though as it's not permanent, just a useful tool. You seem to know about being a tool.

I'm also informed. You should try it.

TTFN.

Proxima4 · Post by **Proxima4** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:34 am

Love FXPansion, but these plugs are just to CPU heavy on my rig, I can't honestly say they do anything new for me, but then if you very into specifics, and can hear them. then I guess they must. I wouldn't know.

I have Izotope 'Alloy' for my mix needs, and it stay's pretty low on the CPU with just 2 modules running.

Other than that, Abletons stock effects are enough for my work. Abletons multiband dynamics is still an excellent choice.

New from FXpansion - D.CAM Dynamics [A suite of Four Dynamics Plugins]