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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:22 pm

paradiddle wrote:To be back OT, I would surely like to see a sampler module in Zebra, something along the limes of absynth from simple sampler module to some granular synthesis type of sampler module. Not a full blown sampler.

100% agreed. A full-blown sampler isn't necessary, just a sample loading module in Zebra. I could even live without looping or any degree of sample editing.

btw, OT always means Off Topic, I think you meant "To be back on topic".

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:11 pm

Yes I meant on topic.

Cheers!

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:02 pm

I'd love Zebra to have a granular osc like absynth. I don't find simple smaple triggering very useful in synths, not would I want multi-sampling. But a single granular sample osc would be perfect in Zebra.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:27 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:I'd love Zebra to have a granular osc like absynth.

Agreed!

I don't find simple smaple triggering very useful in synths

It'd be cool if the sampler/granular module could also be used for modulations.

Arrested Developer · Post by **Arrested Developer** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:01 am

Uncle E wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:I'd love Zebra to have a granular osc like absynth.
Agreed!

+1

pocvecem · Post by **pocvecem** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:45 am

Arrested Developer wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:I'd love Zebra to have a granular osc like absynth.
Agreed!
+1

Also +1 !!

But there is also a certain danger that comes with a granular osc. I see lots of presets for synths like Absynth, Alchemy, Padshop where people take a 2 minute atmo sample, then some filter and delay, ready is the patch. Next one please.
That's just boring to me.
I would see a sample/granular osc as a chance to create some kind of component synthesis. Like the small sample rom in the Kawai K5000 is a fine addition to its additive sources. Or just add new spectrals that are hard to create in Zebra.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:57 pm

pocvecem wrote:But there is also a certain danger that comes with a granular osc. I see lots of presets for synths like Absynth, Alchemy, Padshop where people take a 2 minute atmo sample, then some filter and delay, ready is the patch. Next one please.
That's just boring to me.
I would see a sample/granular osc as a chance to create some kind of component synthesis. Like the small sample rom in the Kawai K5000 is a fine addition to its additive sources. Or just add new spectrals that are hard to create in Zebra.

Well, if there's no limit to how many granular oscillators we could add...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:16 pm

pocvecem wrote:But there is also a certain danger that comes with a granular osc. I see lots of presets for synths like Absynth, Alchemy, Padshop where people take a 2 minute atmo sample, then some filter and delay, ready is the patch. Next one please. That's just boring to me.

So the degree of difficulty required to achieve an effect has a bearing upon its aesthetic value?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:28 pm

hakey wrote:So the degree of difficulty required to achieve an effect has a bearing upon its aesthetic value?

Hah! I love it!

My favorite sample CD of all time was Spectrasonics Distorted Reality. All Eric Persing did was take single samples and map them across the key range - he didn't even multisample! - yet the end result is still spectacular because the starting samples were so incredible. I far prefer that library over Omnisphere and Atmosphere.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:44 pm

Uncle E wrote:
hakey wrote:So the degree of difficulty required to achieve an effect has a bearing upon its aesthetic value?
Hah! I love it!

I'm sure it's recognised fallacy - 'the means justifies the ends'?

My favorite sample CD of all time was Spectrasonics Distorted Reality.

just had a quick listen to the demo for that... very nice... of its time, in a good way.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:05 am

That idea of having a sampler module for Zebra is awesome.

It could be a bit more complex and give us granular and beat-munging possibilities, too, yeah.

Well, if it only let us load a sample, it would be kind boring, eh? Resythesis maybe, too? Additive synthesis is very interesting. In my view, absolutely more interesting than subtractive. FM is also far more interesting. I wonder if there's samplers who use FM synthesis and samples as oscillators... I can't remember one. Was it Yamaha SY-77 that could do it? Or maybe A3000... hmmm I'm still frustrated I've never had this sampler. Although ASR-10 was fantastic, and S-950 in its own way, too.

Cheers!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:31 am

It was SY-77, yes.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:01 am

Hehe, still sorry, but a sampler would have to be "not Zebra" and vice versa.

Zebra's oscillators are granular, but they aren't exactly sample based. Waveform import will be about the closest to sampling it'll ever get.

That said, we're interested in improvements to physical modeling and we're open minded in respect of a small sample rom (in fact we're toying with the idea of creating a sample rom from Zebra sounds).

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:32 am

Urs wrote:

We're interested in improvements to physical modeling and we're open minded in respect of a small sample rom (in fact we're toying with the idea of creating a sample rom from Zebra sounds).

Mmmm..Physical modelling...Delicious

The Rompler should be called Z-Prom

Do I win the live chicken now ?

ACR23 · Post by **ACR23** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:20 pm

A U-he sampler would be great, something like ShortCircuit with timestrech, better FX and filters. As for me theres no need for a huge soundbank, cause I use a sampler mostly to create my own sounds. So the editing possibilities should be nice.

(My first and only hardware sampler was Akai S-1000, it had some great digital filters, sold that one years ago..)

u-he

KVR Audio

u-he sampler anybody?