MUX Vst pre-release

[Tricky-Loops]

MUX is 90% of MuLab. Only the sequencing is missing at the moment. But i don't exclude that in the future the MUX will even get much of the sequencing power of MuLab. That's one of the future dreams i have i.e. to integrate sequencing into the MUX.

So MUX Vst should be at 90% of MuLab's price?
No, a bit more because MUX Vst has a Vst wrapper!
So there we are, equal prices, even mathematically.

Okay, THAT convinces me, at least to 90 %...

I've merely hoped that for the MUX VST you would have set a lower price than for MuLab itself. Because I don't have much money (rather more debts), so I can't buy it. But I love the MUX VST, and I will think of it all my time...

BTW, I'm not a customer of MuLab. Currently I use REAPER. But what I admire at MuLab is the MUX, because the one and only synth included in REAPER is largely useless.

[Trakstar]

MUX is 90% of MuLab. Only the sequencing is missing at the moment. But i don't exclude that in the future the MUX will even get much of the sequencing power of MuLab. That's one of the future dreams i have i.e. to integrate sequencing into the MUX.

So MUX Vst should be at 90% of MuLab's price?
No, a bit more because MUX Vst has a Vst wrapper!
So there we are, equal prices, even mathematically.

Okay, THAT convinces me, at least to 90 %...

I've merely hoped that for the MUX VST you would have set a lower price than for MuLab itself. Because I don't have much money (rather more debts), so I can't buy it. But I love the MUX VST, and I will think of it all my time...

BTW, I'm not a customer of MuLab. Currently I use REAPER. But what I admire at MuLab is the MUX, because the one and only synth included in REAPER is largely useless.

(that really hurt my feelings,mr painkiller )

[Tricky-Loops]

MUX is 90% of MuLab. Only the sequencing is missing at the moment. But i don't exclude that in the future the MUX will even get much of the sequencing power of MuLab. That's one of the future dreams i have i.e. to integrate sequencing into the MUX.

So MUX Vst should be at 90% of MuLab's price?
No, a bit more because MUX Vst has a Vst wrapper!
So there we are, equal prices, even mathematically.

Okay, THAT convinces me, at least to 90 %...

I've merely hoped that for the MUX VST you would have set a lower price than for MuLab itself. Because I don't have much money (rather more debts), so I can't buy it. But I love the MUX VST, and I will think of it all my time...

BTW, I'm not a customer of MuLab. Currently I use REAPER. But what I admire at MuLab is the MUX, because the one and only synth included in REAPER is largely useless.

(that really hurt my feelings,mr painkiller )

That hurts me much more that your only fun in life seems to be setting confused emoticons... You had promised me to refrain from it...

[Trakstar]

MUX is 90% of MuLab. Only the sequencing is missing at the moment. But i don't exclude that in the future the MUX will even get much of the sequencing power of MuLab. That's one of the future dreams i have i.e. to integrate sequencing into the MUX.

So MUX Vst should be at 90% of MuLab's price?
No, a bit more because MUX Vst has a Vst wrapper!
So there we are, equal prices, even mathematically.

Okay, THAT convinces me, at least to 90 %...

I've merely hoped that for the MUX VST you would have set a lower price than for MuLab itself. Because I don't have much money (rather more debts), so I can't buy it. But I love the MUX VST, and I will think of it all my time...

BTW, I'm not a customer of MuLab. Currently I use REAPER. But what I admire at MuLab is the MUX, because the one and only synth included in REAPER is largely useless.

(that really hurt my feelings,mr painkiller )

That hurts me much more that your only fun in life seems to be setting confused emoticons... You had promised me to refrain from it...

,from now on I promise to stop, I will seek some help. Hope you get better soon, didnt know it effected you in such a way "emoticonally". Thanks for understanding pal

[fluffy_little_something]

Yes, as I have already said before Mulab is a bargain. I meant expensive with regard to upgrade vs full price. But you have lowered it already anyway.
I would have bought Mulab even if it had cost 100 or maybe even 150 Euros, simply because I get results much faster than with other more powerful/expensive alternatives.
And even though Mulab will eventually also become more and more bloated as you have to keep up with the competition, I will keep growing along with it and not be overwhelmed

Makes me wonder what your target group is. Professionals readily spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on music software.

Yes, I absolutely believe you that you spend your best years programming and we appreciate that because of the result I suppose Belgium (Belgium seems to be a DAW hotspot for whatever reason, FL is also from Belgium if I am not mistaken) is not a good place for such a business as taxes and the cost of living there are very high. Thus many European software companies set up offices in Bulgaria and other East European countries these days where in some cases you have a 10% flat tax rate.

Crossgrades from Mulab to the VST are probably done mostly by people who are either disappointed by the recording component and thus willing to switch to another DAW or by cheaters who get a full copy at the upgrade price for a friend


I doubt that the EU court ruling says what you think it says. It says that after the initial sale from company to buyer the exclusive rights of distribution cease to exist.

http://www.computerweekly.com/opinion/E ... d-software

By the way, though I am no legal expert, I think your licenses are non-exclusive to begin with, even though you call them exclusive

I can understand that this ruling causes software suppliers big headaches and by no means do I consider you the "bad guy". I guess the only problem for software suppliers will be finding ways to make sure their licenses are not multiplied (via continued use and sale at the same time) because of that ruling. Maybe a simple copy and paste license key won't do in the future... Long live the dongle

Would be interesting to know the balance between the Mulab recording component and the MUX (both integrated and separate VST) in terms of investment of time and resources for development, debugging, etc.
In this respect the sidegrades may be a bit expensive given both cost 75 Euros and you already are a paying customer obviously. That goes especially for the sidegrade from Mulab to the Mux.

Expensive??

Believe me: If you count all the hours i spent into this, i'm simply crazy to sell these apps for such absurd low prices. But again, that's because of the extreme competition.

Essentially it's this: Eventhough you could argue mathematically that the MUX Vst could be a bit less than MuLab (eventhough the MUX plugin has something that MuLab hasn't), the price of MuLab is already so low that it's absurd to go even lower.

But besides math logic there also is market logic.

As a comparison: Sylenth is a popular synth, it's almost at double price of MUX Vst, while MUX Vst sounds at least equally amazingly good AND it can do muuuuch more!! Then i don't see the logic why MUX Vst (including all updates) at half price of Sylenth would be a bad deal.

Since we are already talking about licenses, as far as I know the license agreement is no longer in accordance with EU law. The EU supreme court has ruled that software customers in the EU ARE allowed to sell their software licenses.

I don't agree. That EU law is about non-exclusive licenses. The MuLab and MUX user licenses are exclusive to one person. And if you would think i'm a 'bad guy' because i don't allow it, don't forget the overhead on switching registrations and again giving support to the new customer. That's 2 times work and resources for a single sale.

[fluffy_little_something]

@trakstar

Your tune sounds like background music for CSI lab scenes

[Tricky-Loops]

Makes me wonder what your target group is. Professionals readily spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on music software.

Even professionals don't have an infinite amount of money to buy everything... And you would wonder of how much professionals have debts because of the cost of their studio equipment...

BTW, I don't see myself as a professional as long as I can't live from making music...

[Trakstar]

@trakstar

Your tune sounds like background music for CSI lab scenes

Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

[fluffy_little_something]

Makes me wonder what your target group is. Professionals readily spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on music software.

Even professionals don't have an infinite amount of money to buy everything... And you would wonder of how much professionals have debts because of the cost of their studio equipment...

BTW, I don't see myself as a professional as long as I can't live from making music...

Yes, same here. I am doing this just for fun for the time being. Thus I did not want to fork out hundreds of dollars or euros. I tested Reaper, but it was too much for me. I used to use FL, but never liked it. FL stuff is quite expensive actually, most of their modules cost about as much as a complete Mulab UL license, and yet most of those modules are disappointing. I prefer the Mulab approach. You are not made to choose from dozens of expensive synth modules, but once you understand how the MUX works, you can do pretty much anything you want Which is not to say that I already know how it all works, far from it. Since I am happy with it already, it can only get better the more I discover.

Some people think if they buy expensive software musical success will come by itself. But that is not so, someone with talent will make a great song with basic equipment while someone without talent won't despite all their expensive equipment.

[fluffy_little_something]

@trakstar

Your tune sounds like background music for CSI lab scenes

Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

Not so sure, it was just the first thing that came to my mind when listening to it

[Trakstar]

@trakstar

Your tune sounds like background music for CSI lab scenes

Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

Not so sure, it was just the first thing that came to my mind when listening to it

[Tricky-Loops]

Some people think if they buy expensive software musical success will come by itself. But that is not so, someone with talent will make a great song with basic equipment while someone without talent won't despite all their expensive equipment.

I even think that it would be possible to make a number one hit with some instances of MUX without any other synthesizer.

Great songwriting (including composing) is independent of having expensive gear. The gear can only help to supply the songwriting with better sounds. That's something I had to learn. I've always thought, if I have this or that synthesizer, I can make great songs. I couldn't, and so I've decided to learn (good) songwriting instead of buying every new synth.

[Crackbaby]

Now when you mention it .. yes! I can see them shooting ballistic jelly and trying to get some dna from a broken nail or whatever And not a bad thing by any means. What genre would you say it is?

[Trakstar]

Now when you mention it .. yes! I can see them shooting ballistic jelly and trying to get some dna from a broken nail or whatever And not a bad thing by any means. What genre would you say it is?

I ought to have known, well thats rich coming from someone with a name like soft little fluffy girl, and junkiebaby, but hey, you could both start a duet together.

The fluffy, woolly and kind to the skin soft and chemically induced Smack and crack kiddy babies!! nice whats your first song gonna be?

" we are wierdos "


(PS_ I shall endeavour to make better music, because crackhead and fluffy fanny said my music is w"nk I shall post a new track soon with a new style, probably just a drone and call it industrial experimentalism)

[fluffy_little_something]

Some people think if they buy expensive software musical success will come by itself. But that is not so, someone with talent will make a great song with basic equipment while someone without talent won't despite all their expensive equipment.

I even think that it would be possible to make a number one hit with some instances of MUX without any other synthesizer.

Great songwriting (including composing) is independent of having expensive gear. The gear can only help to supply the songwriting with better sounds. That's something I had to learn. I've always thought, if I have this or that synthesizer, I can make great songs. I couldn't, and so I've decided to learn (good) songwriting instead of buying every new synth.

Exactly. I use only my Mulab sounds and one external donation-ware synth. For me the hardest thing is writing lyrics and vocal arrangement, no program can do that for you. I mean, nice synth sounds are great, but instrumentals are a bit boring in the long run. 95% of instrumentals lack the special something, especially when not played by real musicians.