MuLab 4.4.2

[liquidsound]

Right click in the Pianoroll and go through the functions menu.
Same right click in the Pianoroll you'll have access at the Edit in List Editor and the values are editable.
Logical selector.....

You don't find that stuff in this price range.

Well that doesn't do much for me personally, the piano roll is still sparse, audio editing is primitive. I love MUX and MuLab is great for what it is, but I think it is a dis-service to the cause to suggest it is a $200 DAW.

Not $200, but more than now.... for sure.
At the end of the day I produce more in MuLab than any other system. Live still a great tool for me, but on special occasions.
I use S1 for exchanging work with friends oversea, nice and clean, but for my work style MuLab removed all the thinking process leaving room to just compose. It's like Chinese cooking: one knife, one pot. Very simple but they'll cook anything AND fast!!!

[braj]

I dunno, I need to grab and apply grooves, and cross-fade clips easily. I know I know Studio One much better, but I don't think it is because of that that I find it more immediate and intuitive. I think if I were making mostly electronic music, dance music, then Mulab would be fine, but it seems primitive in many ways, not just simple. Again, I think Mulab, for its current state of development, is priced just fine. I'm not beating up on it, I'm just saying. I think it has a realistic price given the features, and I'd maybe even suggest a price drop to get more users and more funds for development. Reaper surely picks up lots of users because of the price, if Mulab were $50 straight for just one full version, I bet it would be very popular.

[liquidsound]

I understand your needs and I agree that Reaper is very hard to beat at the price but do you want to know something?
Reaper $60 was the most difficult purchase in music software I ever spent. Still today after the Groove3 tutorial I can't get in there and freely pour music in it. Go figure!
MuLab sucks me in and I can't gat enough of it.
Not a sale speech here, just the way I always feel with it.
I know I'll be flying with M5

[braj]

Good for you I liked Reaper well enough, had I not seen the groove functionality in Studio One I probably would have been happy, but getting everything to gel together in S1 with audio and midi quantize has me spoiled. Now when I go back to Reaper after using S1 for a while it just seems so cluttered. Maybe you have an even more minimalist view with Mulab.

[liquidsound]

Yes I can really focus in MuLab and the Pianoroll navigation system with the mouse is like writing music on paper.
One thing about Live and S1 is their lack of right click and drag (basic and slow in S1) and wheel zoom which is essential to my style and let's me laser point quickly in any area of the Pianoroll instantly, editing while playing back no matter the speed, still playing with the left hand.


But I'm glad you like the MUX and hopefully you'll come out with more neat tools as you already did.

[MuTools]

Hey Braj, i appreciate your experiences with S1 & Reaper. What kind of music are you making and what's your typical musical workflow?

Edit: about your music: listening to your soundcloud now, ok that gives me a good idea. Nice vibes btw Are you making music on your own?

You're talking about the MIDI editing power of logic. Can you please elaborate on that.

[MuTools]

About MuLab Free: Thanks for all interesting posts! Ok, so what about this further finetuned MuLab levels: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/ ... s-new.html

Two things have changed:

* MuLab Free can use up to 4 VSTs per session.
* MuLab XT has no shortcut limit anymore.

Note that all limits are soft limits meaning that you can go beyond the level limits in both MuLab Free and XT but then you're entering demo mode and so you'll hear a soft noise from time to time.

So all versions can be used to be creative and to demo things at the same time!
And all versions can open all projects and all MUX presets!

About the VST limit: Is 4 ok or should that be 8?

[braj]

Ha maybe I shouldn't use Logic as an example since I don't have that, but things I would like in the Mutools (or any piano roll) are

(from Reaper):
~ color coding notes based on criteria like velocity, note
~ Hiding unnamed or unused notes
~ create note maps easily (for drums etc.)
~ extensive scale support

(from Studio One)
~ multi-clip editing
~ Groove capture of audio and midi

Again, I wasn't criticizing Mulab, just stating that based on current features I think it is priced right. And actually I think audio recording and editing is more raw than midi is in MuLab, if something needs immediate improvements I'd say work on that.

p.s. yeah music is all me and it shows I need musical

[braj]

About MuLab Free: Thanks for all interesting posts! Ok, so what about this further finetuned MuLab levels: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/ ... s-new.html

Two things have changed:

* MuLab Free can use up to 4 VSTs per session.
* MuLab XT has no shortcut limit anymore.

Note that all limits are soft limits meaning that you can go beyond the level limits in both MuLab Free and XT but then you're entering demo mode and so you'll hear a soft noise from time to time.

So all versions can be used to be creative and to demo things at the same time!
And all versions can open all projects and all MUX presets!

About the VST limit: Is 4 ok or should that be 8?

Tracks are limited to 4 no? I think it is ok, but 8 would let someone use an effect on each track. 4 could possibly all be used up just on 1 track. 4 track limit seems that it would keep it in the free category to me. But I think as a demo of the app 4 vst is ok, 8 is better.

One thing: It would be cool if there were an XT crossgrade for MUX owners. I know this starts to get complicated and could cause you headaches, but I can't justify the full version yet for myself but I'd like more than the free version.

[braj]

what's your typical musical workflow?

Well I usually work out a chord progression, make it simple, then run it through some arps, write those to the piano roll, add a basic drum track, then grab the groove of what I want to drive it and apply that to the arp and drums or whatever. Then I just keep building, working out melodies. But again I suck. The groove thing in Studio One is what made me switch from Reaper, but I really miss the ability to hide unused note rows and coloring notes, that makes working in the piano roll like painting and all the scales Reaper can support is astounding, that helps with coming up with something different.

[Crackbaby]

i'd love to see independent gridsnap for length so i can use a grid of 16th but paint notes that are 32nd and 16+32nd.

Also i wonder if it would be difficult to make a clip-player for use in mux where, if not timestretching, pitching to match tempo of project

[MuTools]

Tracks are limited to 4 no?

Indeed.

I think it is ok, but 8 would let someone use an effect on each track.

After some further thought i agree 8 VSTs per session is ok for MuLab Free.
I also thought that the "Function Shortcuts" limit was only complicating things, so i removed it from the new (virtual) limit table.

So this leads to this updated level limits: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/ ... s-new.html

So compared to MuLab 4.3, what's changed limit-wise:

• REPLACED the "VST plug-ins in database" limit by the "Num VSTs per session" limit.
• Removed function shortcuts limit.

So no version is crippled down compared to the previous one, at the contrary!
And the VST limit replacement is a good thing for everyone, while preserving a good balance between Free - XT - UL.
And the shortcuts limit was only complicating things.

Green light for me But still curious for your opinions.

[MuTools]

One thing: It would be cool if there were an XT crossgrade for MUX owners. I know this starts to get complicated and could cause you headaches, but I can't justify the full version yet for myself but I'd like more than the free version.

For practical reasons that would indeed be complicating things too much atm. But i'll keep it in mind for later.

[janamdo]

wrong place..oops

[pljones]

• REPLACED the "VST plug-ins in database" limit by the "Num VSTs per session" limit.
• Removed function shortcuts limit.

Looks good here!

The other good thing about the first one is that you don't have to understand local MuLab-speak ("VSTs in database"???) as well as it being easier to see when it's happened. Eight, to me, seems generous.