DX7 Data-Sheets > Zebra?

[hakey]

Anyone tried translating DX7 data-sheets into Zebra?

[raikard233]

Hasn't Zebra 4 FMO's instead of 6?

[hollo]

Hasn't Zebra 4 FMO's instead of 6?

Yes, but you can add 2 normal sine Osc, and maybe 4 env + 2 MSEG to have six
env.

[3ee]

Still no feedback! ..and that changes the timbre significantly in some cases.

Anyone tried translating DX7 data-sheets into Zebra?

Might try some in FM8 tho

[hakey]

Hasn't Zebra 4 FMO's instead of 6?

For most cases that's enough - normal oscillators in spectroblend mode can be used as modulators for the FMOs.

Unless I'm mistaken, Zebra should be able to replicate 30 out of 32 DX7 algorithms (algos 4 and 6 require feedback across two operators).

[hakey]

Still no feedback! ..and that changes the timbre significantly in some cases.

FMO's can do self feedback.

[hakey]

Might try some in FM8 tho

They've already been done, I think (seem to remember the result isn't a perfect replication of the original DX sound).

[hollo]

The most difficult for me is Alg 16,17, 18 with one carrier and
a lot of modulators like a tree.

Do someone have a template for that?

Also the key tracking (free Break Point is missing)

I made one Dx Piano, what is quite good: starting at 3'57:

http://soundcloud.com/hollosound/padsheaven-12-single

If i remember well Urs also realised there is more to do
in FM, so i think we'll get more in Zebra3.

Cheers,
Joseph

[hakey]

The most difficult for me is Alg 16,17, 18 with one carrier and
a lot of modulators like a tree.

They're doable - for algo 16 the FMO's would be operators 1,3,5 and 6. Might require two mixers to unify the three grid lanes before the final carrier.

Afaics, translating the various amounts, rates and scalings to the Zebra equivalent is the difficult bit.

[hakey]

I made one Dx Piano, what is quite good: starting at 3'57:

Sounds very close.

Was that a direct translation, or an educated guess?

[hakey]

Also the key tracking (free Break Point is missing)

ModMappers?

[hollo]

Do you think it's possible to do Direct translations?
Tell me how!

I was just checking the parameters and listening what's happening. Playing on the Dx and Playing on the Zebra and
adjusting.

I love it cause it have warmer body than i can get form Fm7-8,
and the velocity response is almost better than DX7.

[hollo]

Also the key tracking (free Break Point is missing)

ModMappers?

I did'nt think of that.... Thank you Hakey!
Now this why i love Zebra!

[hakey]

Do you think it's possible to do Direct translations?
Tell me how!

I dare say that with DX7 to hand you could get a pretty close match to any preset by isolating and replicating the different elements, one after the other.

With enough patience you could work out the conversion factors to find equivalent Zebra values for all of the DX parameters (find the min and max values, scale between min and max for the intermediates).

[hollo]

The most difficult for me is Alg 16,17, 18 with one carrier and
a lot of modulators like a tree.

They're doable - for algo 16 the FMO's would be operators 1,3,5 and 6. Might require two mixers to unify the three grid lanes before the final carrier.

Afaics, translating the various amounts, rates and scalings to the Zebra equivalent is the difficult bit.

This was the point i felt am lost in the forest!
I'm more of a musician than a programmer.

Thanks for the ideas of mod mappers and mixers!

For me the best part of the DX was the FM Pianos.
I could do that by enthusiasm.
But is too exhausting to go further to get finally a not so good Dx bass.
One can do much better from init Zebra.