Mastering Challenge - 01 August

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Hi everyone! Jack Braglia here with Vital Mastering.

First off I'd like to say thanks to everyone who had a part in selecting me as the mastering engineer for this. And what a great track from Bluffmonkey. I feel like I'm in a james bond movie here! :) Good stuff.

Here is the link to download the master (its big, so you might want to right-click and download it):

http://www.vitalmastering.com/audio/KVR ... tering.wav

The first thing I noticed about the mix was that the hi-hat was very "clicky" and the big cymbal crash was wayyyy harsh. I did my best to deal with these issues, but I didn't want to do too much altering since I have no idea what bluffmonkey wants to get out of this mix. Which is what made this job a bit different from most others. Usually I'm in direct contact with the artist and/or mix engineer, so I have a good idea of what they are trying to achieve. With this master I was only in contact with Sami (Aiynzahev). So aside from the reference track by Hyrbid, I had no idea what direction bluffmonkey wanted to go with it. For this reason I took a much more utilitarian approach than a creative one.

This leads me to my first critique of the masters posted by everyone so far:

There's a wide range of sounds here. About half of you really got creative and took the track in a new direction, mainly with the use of EQ. This can certainly be a great thing if that's what the client wants, but 9 times out of 10 this isn't the case. Generally speaking, a mastering engineer has to assume that the client/artist has sat for many hours with the mix engineer making sure that the mix is EXACTLY how they want it to sound. So if I was to alter the mix too much, I will usually be going back for revisions. I think someone actually mentioned this earlier in the thread; something along the lines of "making the track loud without destroying it" can sometimes be all that a mastering engineer really has to do.

Which brings me to my 2nd general critique:

A good number of you guys really destroyed the track with very aggressive limiting. The two worst offenders (and I wont name names, but I think you'll figure it out) actually did the same thing as one another. It sounds to me like they set their limiting threshold while listening to the quiet intro of the song, so when the actual beat kicks in the track is then slammed to death. I'm not sure if they even listened to the rest of the song....

But in general I'm hearing a lot of aggressive limiting, which is something you want to avoid as much as possible. As a rule of thumb, you don't want to be limiting by more that 3-4dB. 1-2dB is ideal. Let the bulk of the "loudness" be achieved with careful use of compression, EQ, and harmonic enhancement. Our goal is to enhance "perceived loudness". "Actual" loudness can become quite fatiguing.

Now this leads me to my process and techniques, and what makes electronic music different:

In my experience, music that is made up entirely of, or relies very heavily on synthesized sounds, takes very well to digital processing. Namely limiting. You'll find that the sound imparted by 4, 5, or even 6 stages of analog gear, simply doesn't benefit electronic music in the way it does with "organic" music. So because of this, I kept the analog processing to a minimum:

1. Sony Oxford Inflator:
This plug-in can be compared to the Precision Maximizer by Universal Audio. These plug-ins "magically" increase perceived loudness while maintaining dynamic range. They achieve this with the use of harmonic generation and some soft-clipping. The bulk of the track's loudness comes from this.

2. Brainworx bx-digital v2 EQ: Now for some mid-side EQ. On the sides I'm rolling off everything below 50hz and boosting 3.7k with a wide Q by 3dB.

3. Manley Massive Passive EQ: Finally we're in analog. Here I HP at 22, medium-wide Q boost at 47hz by 1dB, medium Q cut at 780hz by 1dB, and a medium Q boost at 5.6k by 1.5dB.

4. KuSh Clariphonic EQ: This thing is my secret weapon for tracks that need brightness and extra clarity. It sounds like a harmonic enhancer to me but smoother.

4. Sony Oxford Limiter: And now back to digital for the limiting/dither stage. At this point, I didn't have to limit very much at all, only 1 dB of gain reduction maybe every 10 seconds or so. This is thanks to the Inflator (not to mention a well balanced mix). Fast attack, medium release, hard knee. "Enhance" at 60%. Output at -.3dB and 16bit dither, type 4 at 100%

And that's about it! I actually didn't need to use any compression at all for this one. It was a really well balanced mix, so I didn't want to mess with it too much. So let me know what you guys think and if you have any questions. I'll be back tomorrow with my favorite masters. Post yours and we can compare :)

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Hello Jack,

Thanks for the time you put in this project. Not many mastering engineers are prepared to do this.
VitalMastering wrote:The two worst offenders (and I wont name names, but I think you'll figure it out) actually did the same thing as one another.
I'm curious if I'm one of those 2, not taking anything personal, just for learning's sake. But that's maybe something for pm.
VitalMastering wrote: I'll be back tomorrow with my favorite masters. Post yours and we can compare :)
So you gonna put even more time into this? Great, looking forward to that.

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actually i do have some time to chime in about a few of my favorites:

The strongest ones IMO were (in no particular order):
Kai Hebb
3ee
Digler007
Manducator


If anyone would like a critique on their master, let me know :)

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VitalMastering wrote:actually i do have some time to chime in about a few of my favorites:

The strongest ones IMO were (in no particular order):
Kai Hebb
3ee
Digler007
Manducator


If anyone would like a critique on their master, let me know :)
The little attempt I made wasn't in the OP.

http://magicmonkeystudio.com/storage/Ag ... Master.mp3

I am sure I hit the compressor too hard, but if I recall, I was hitting -2db into fabfilter's pro-L at the end. How does it sound? Smashed to hell? :P

(apologies for the MP3. I wasn't really in the running here so I didn't bother uploading a 50 mb file.)
Last edited by TreyM on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

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yours was one of the strongest manducator! It was very transparent and you didn't damage the mix in any way. it could have used some extra clarity, but other than that, great job :) I also like that you maintained the low end.

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TreyM wrote: The little attempt I made wasn't in the OP.

http://magicmonkeystudio.com/storage/Ag ... Master.mp3

I am sure I hit the compressor too hard, but if I recall, I was hitting -2db into fabfilter's pro-L at the end. How does it sound? Smashed to hell? :P

(apologies for the MP3. I wasn't really in the running here so I didn't bother uploading a 50 mb file.)
great job actually. but it does sound a bit dull. maybe some careful EQ could help. linear phase EQs can be good for high frequencies. also, what are your attack/release settings on the compressor? and what compressor?

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manducator wrote: So you gonna put even more time into this? Great, looking forward to that.
sure thing! I always try to stay active on the forums, and I'm totally new to KVR so I don't mind

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VitalMastering wrote: great job actually. but it does sound a bit dull. maybe some careful EQ could help. linear phase EQs can be good for high frequencies. also, what are your attack/release settings on the compressor? and what compressor?
I'm going to attempt to recall what I did in signal chain order. :P

For the compressor, (this is all from memory) I used the Plugin Alliance Vertigo VSC-2 at a 2.1 ratio (maybe it was 4.1?), 10ms attack, 100ms release, taking off 2-4 db (again memory so that may not be exact.) I had the 60hz SC filter on. I think I had the compressor in dual mono mode as well.

Then, into Airwindows ADClip2 to bring some punch to the transients. (perhaps this in hindsight could have dulled it? The plugin is supposed to simulate A/D converter clipping)

I used FabFilter Pro-Q in Linear Phase mode to add some shelf EQ at around 10K +2db but listening to yours next to mine, I think I could have bumped it up a little more.

I then ran into Ozone 5 for some slight multiband stereo imaging and excitement.

I then hit FabFilter Pro-L by about 2db and I've forgotten the exact settings I used for the limiter.

Ozone 5 Maximizer (for just the dither, not the limiter)


EDIT: I know what dulled it down. I used Kramer Tape right after the compressor... :oops: FAIL ME... lol

Also added the attack time for the compressor. Forgot it a min ago.

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VitalMastering wrote:yours was one of the strongest manducator! It was very transparent and you didn't damage the mix in any way. it could have used some extra clarity, but other than that, great job :) I also like that you maintained the low end.
Thank you very much, I feel honoured by these comments! I did go for the loudness on this one, which isn't my purpose, normally. I master my own songs 2-3 dB RMS less loud.

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Mr Braglia, your master of this track is really good! I think the ME's work shines when he has a good mix!
Aiynzahev-sounds
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others

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Wow Jack, thanks so much for the amount of effort you put into this! :)

The helpful comments you've provided were actually much more than I was expecting to get out of this and a real eye-opener for me as to the approach you took. Reminds me how much skill is involved, less is more etc etc, and how much of an amateur I am!! :lol:

The professional mastered version sounds great. I'm hoping we can do all this again with another track, we shall see what the ongoing interest turns out to be

Cheers!

Jon
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So, did anyone had good fun listening to the other masters and the info from VitalMastering?

In other words, was this topic worth it?

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For me (just bought ozone 5) one of the best threads on kvr for a long time...

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And there will be more mastering contests, i hope. I really enjoyed this.

I would like to share a track i'm doing. More clubbin' style, i would like to know what are you using for techno electronic music, etc.
And meanwhile, i'm learning this new style.
Have a good day :)
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VitalMastering wrote:

If anyone would like a critique on their master, let me know :)
first let me thank you for your explanations ad help,
I surely would like some critique on my master
but I've already deleted it from soundcloud,
so if I need to re-up it there please let me know

or I an upload them to my privat space,
or send them to yo, or ...

and btw. I really enjoyed this contest
sound is vibration, vibration is life

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