Function of Save as?

[voidpipe]

I am working on a song and want to save it in a new location. I go to the session menu and select save as, then I use the browse option create a new folder for my song and click ok. I would normally expect to go back to the pervious window and give the name of the song. The dialogue of New file is a bit confusing compared how it normally works in other programs, maybe just File name would be better. The first times I always clicked on OK and ended up in MuLab with out any songs saved….

So now in my mind I am thinking that the song is saved with a name in a new folder but when I look at MuLabs header bar it now says:

MuLab : Stringent 1 : Unnamed composition

I don't understand why it is an unnamed composition… I thought I just did name it. What am I missing?

[Crackbaby]

Yup, same issue i think

Is Stringent 1 a template? It says : new : for me and that's the template i used. The project IS saved though (at least for me) so it's probably just a gui error or something

[MuTools]

Saving is about the complete session, including all compositions in that session. The titlebar says "Session Name : Composition Name".

[voidpipe]

Where do I name the composition if not in the "save as dialogue"?
I think I might have a lack of understanding of the session - composition concept....
Lets say if I work on a song for a number of days..... Is the different version of the song saved as compositions withe different version number but in the same session?

[MuTools]

Where do I name the composition if not in the "save as dialogue"?

In the composer, right-click the background.

I think I might have a lack of understanding of the session - composition concept....

See http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/overview.html

Lets say if I work on a song for a number of days..... Is the different version of the song saved as compositions withe different version number but in the same session?

Euh, i don't understand what you mean.
Sessions and compositions are named as you name them, no more, no less.

[voidpipe]

Sorry if I am being vague... I am not sure I understand the organization of compositions and sessions.
Does a session thought to consist of a number of compositions or how is the relation between them?
What is the idea behind naming them in two different places?

For me "Save as" would be the natural place if the composition for example isnt already named.

For me MuLab is very intuitive in many areas but some things are really unusual when you have used other DAW:s before and I think I am not the only one who gets a bit frustrated of not finding obvious things. Maybe some of the more common questions here about where functions are can be used for fine tuning the interface even further. Don't take this as a critique of MuLab as it is just a suggestion for improvement.

[MuTools]

Sorry if I am being vague... I am not sure I understand the organization of compositions and sessions. Does a session thought to consist of a number of compositions or how is the relation between them?

Please see this doc page: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/overview.html

Scroll down, there is a picture that explains this all.

What is the idea behind naming them in two different places?

There is just a single name for a session, and a single name for compositions. You can have more than 1 composition in a session.

For me "Save as" would be the natural place if the composition for example isnt already named.

It sounds like you're mixing compositions and sessions.
Please see that architecture picture in the docs.

For me MuLab is very intuitive in many areas but some things are really unusual when you have used other DAW:s before and I think I am not the only one who gets a bit frustrated of not finding obvious things. Maybe some of the more common questions here about where functions are can be used for fine tuning the interface even further. Don't take this as a critique of MuLab as it is just a suggestion for improvement.

Please do post your feedback here when you think that something is unclear/unintuitive/unconventional-in-a-bad-way.

The separation between sessions and compositions is ok though, imho. Maybe currently there are not yet a lot advantages of using multiple compositions per session but chance is high there will come more advantages as MuLab grows.

But again, please let me know whenever there is something which breaks your workflow. Then we'll talk about it and if conclusion is that MuLab can be improved i'll at least add it to the wishlist. In the end i do want MuLab to be as smooth and useful as possible.

[voidpipe]

Sorry, but that drawing is not making things much clearer. I think it might be the naming of things that is confusing for me. A composition is for me a song and session is when you gather some musicians and play some songs (compositions) and then comes the session MUX where the word session is used in partly another meaning and that might add to my confusion..



So if I understand it correctly there can be a number of session that can consist of a number of compositions and then…. and the compositions is using the session Mux. The pedagog in me thinks that there might be some other names for them that better shows the relationship between them. But on the other hand I might be the only newcomer asking these questions… ;o)

Two suggestions for the wish list though:
1. When you edit midi clips. I think it would be very useful to be able to hear the note when you click on them. I would also like to hear the changing notes when you drag them up and down. In Ableton Live there is a small headphone symbol in top left corner of the midi editor to turn on/off this feature.

2. If you right click in the composition window on the and select grid you should be able to set the grid snap resolution along with snap on/off.

Thank you for listening.

[DHR53]

Option click the notes for audio preview in midi editor. I usually just open a new composition and have one session in each. If that's how you do it, it's pretty much the same as any DAW. I'm not sure what the value of having 3 sessions in a composition unless you're going to merge the parts somehow... which there doesn't seem to be a cool way to add or preview parts/sessions while a composition plays. That would be nice and sort of like the old Musys did.

[pljones]

Sorry, but that drawing is not making things much clearer. I think it might be the naming of things that is confusing for me.
A composition is for me a song

Or any unit it makes sense to work on in isolation

session is when you gather some musicians and play some songs (compositions)

which is the equivalent of the tracks (=musicians) and racks (=instruments) inside the DAW

and then comes the session MUX where the word session is used in partly another meaning and that might add to my confusion..

Not really that different. It's a MUX at session level. In the same way individual musicians route their instruments into a single mixing desk in a session, the Session MUX provides for a single place where you can control session-level stuff -- the Racks actually "live" in the session MUX.

By the way, when you post screen shots, they appear huge. Could you do something to reduce the size, please.

[Crackbaby]

By the way, when you post screen shots, they appear huge. Could you do something to reduce the size, please.

KVR forum lets the screen shot be as wide as the post is, doesn't it? Or what do you mean?

[voidpipe]

Sorry, but I dont understand what you mean with the screenshot. It looks OK for me both on Chrome and Firefox and Safari...

I might be too sensitive... but I am not sure I will bother to post more here in this forum. I was really trying to be of some help but I know it can be sensitive to have comments. Good luck.

[pljones]

By the way, when you post screen shots, they appear huge. Could you do something to reduce the size, please.

KVR forum lets the screen shot be as wide as the post is, doesn't it? Or what do you mean?

You can see what's happening there. The forum is getting stretched so wide it needs horizontal scrollbars when posting. (My screenshot preview seems okay but it's actually 1920px wide, which isn't really all that useful resized down to fit in the 600px width it's allowed. I could save a lot of space by resizing it.

I might be too sensitive... but I am not sure I will bother to post more here in this forum. I was really trying to be of some help but I know it can be sensitive to have comments. Good luck.

Sorry, I was trying to help you connect your terminology to the MuLab terminology as you'd raised a question about it. I also noticed when replying that your image was displaying wider than my screen could display and assumed it hadn't been something you noticed when posting (it's only like it in the reply dialog for me), so I thought I'd also point it out.

[Crackbaby]

That's not how it looks for me It doesn't expand like that here. I use chrome ... but it shouldn't be like that on firefox. Are you using latest version etc?

[pljones]

That's not how it looks for me It doesn't expand like that here. I use chrome ... but it shouldn't be like that on firefox. Are you using latest version etc?

I use the Firefox beta stream, so I'm on 17.0 currently.

(I usually use a reformat script to stop KVR only taking up a third of my screen. Of course, that makes matters even worse as the image isn't shrunk at all. For that screen shot, though, all scripts were disabled. It then only happens when replying to a message.) It's not a "big issue", though.