important question about my entry

[Cupwise]

OK here's the thing- I feel that I should maybe be allowed to enter not one, but 2 or even 3 plugins into the dev challenge.

YES. i said that. and i need to know if i'll be allowed to.

here's why i think i should be:
I develop for the Nebula platform. In case you don't know what that is, I'll try to explain. It uses convolution, like what's been used for reverb in some apps for years now, except it can actually capture some of the distortion of whatever is sampled, and it can also capture dynamic behavior. The thing is, when I release something for sale, it's always a 'set' of several effects I've made by sampling various things. For example my first set was a collection of 'captures' I made from old tube radios. There's uh, around 25-30 different effects in that set, each made from one of 6 tube radios. Each of the radios were sampled in various setups to get a few different effects for each.

So, as you can see, I couldn't have just released ONE of those and sold it. I had to release a set, because they don't have near the amount of value as individual effects, as they do when part of a set. Each one is like a single crayon color. You need a whole box of crayons to color with. So with that set, you have different colors to choose from. Some filter highs, some filter lows, some filter both, some are relatively flat, all give some non-linear dynamic behavior and distortion.

Now those FX in that set I made 2yrs ago, and since then I've learned a lot, and I can make stuff that's more complex than just a simple 'tone' effect. You CAN have controls that are 'sampled' in different positions, and then Nebula can interpolate those positions to re-create a smooth transition between. But you are generally limited to 2, or 3 controls. A typical algorithm based plug-in can have any number of controls doing any number of radically different things. So I feel that one of my effects alone can't really compete with that. An example of one of my more recent, more complex things is this set. It's a set of tremolo effects. The set has 10 different ones sampled from different hardware, with various twists on the concept. The price I put on the set is only justified by the fact that there are several different tremolos in there. One of the effects I want to enter into the dev challenge is like these. Would a simple tremolo effect be enough to compete in the challenge, no matter how good it sounded? (no.)

By the way, I'm actually going to be using the 'acqua' platform which just means that I can take my Nebula effects, and convert them into stand-alone vsts that the end user won't need Nebula to run. But the effects I make will still be relatively basic compared to what a more complex plug-in can do, control-wise. This is why I think I should be allowed to release a small 'suite' of 3 different plugs/effects. I would guess that in terms of the time I have to invest into making those 3 effects, it might be approaching what a typical vst plug dev might put into a typical plug-in effect.


So anyway I need to know if this could possibly be allowed and who I might need to talk to or get permission from, or whatever. What I'm doing definitely has value, but it's totally not fair to me to have a restriction that cripples my ability to compete.

Anyone ? I've tried finding someone at KVR to email/ask about this but couldn't. Who can give me a definite answer here?

[spacedad]

my guess is yes.

[mystran]

DC07 xoxos was given the permission to release (and he actually won it seems) "Sounds of Nature" suite on the basis that they all had a fairly specific common theme, so there's some precedence for such bundles.

Since this year sound libraries are explicitly allowed as well, I don't see how this would break the spirit of the rules as long as there is something common between them, even if it's technically inconvenient to put it all into a single plugin... but then again that's just my opinion; I'm in no way associated with the contest (other than I might submit an entry myself).

[Cupwise]

thanks for the replies, guys. sorry my post was so long, but i felt like it had to be to explain my case.

so nobody knows how to contact anyone 'running the show'? i've looked and found some email associated with kvr once, but it wasn't one that i expected to have much to do with what i needed, and i never go a reply. it's kind of weird that the people running this site are unreachable... like they are ghosts or something. they even hold contests and such and you still can't directly contact them? there aren't even mods in the forums who represent them or anything?

it'd be nice to have a definitive answer before putting the effort in.

[D.H. Miltz]

Have you tried sending a PM to Ben [KVR]?

[Cupwise]

Have you tried sending a PM to Ben [KVR]?

just did, thanks!

[D.H. Miltz]

You're welcome. Hope you get it sorted out.

[Cupwise]

hmm. no answer.
i'm not really complaining or whatever, but it does seem pretty weird that there's a huge, highly trafficked site (kvr), which is holding a contest, and there's apparently no way to contact anyone representing the site to ask a question about the rules.

i'm just going to assume that my entry would be ok, because i remember that xoxos suite you mentioned and it was far more complex than my stuff, and my 3 fx do have a common theme also. id rather not assume and maybe waste my time, but there's nothing else i can do.

[Acrobat]

I have a multiple entry too.
Just set up as a single card in my admin area.
Hope it it goes, I guess somebody will recall all DC 2012 entries NOT LIVE and process giving a brief look at the cards, seeing if it's all right an so on.
I think there's nothing to worry about, just prepare the admin card and wait.

[Ben [KVR]]

A collection / bundle / suite is fine. There are very few rules and restrictions.

[Cupwise]

thanks a lot ben!
so you're mr kvr himself huh?
great site, probably had a lot to do with getting me into this stuff, many years ago...