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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:43 pm

FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:46 pm

MUX can do that but I see no reason for the PH to cut their revenues

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:48 pm

liquidsound wrote:MUX can do that but I see no reason for the PH to cut their revenues

+1, it won't happen.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:56 pm

liquidsound wrote:MUX can do that but I see no reason for the PH to cut their revenues

What you talking about?

MUX hasn't even got a Rack Extension version yet?

What I want is a Rack Extension that can load/adapt VSTs so that they work seamlessly in Reason.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:01 pm

There is a good possibility that MUX will be ported to RE, but what limitations needs to be implemented in order to keep RE functioning as it is now will perhaps change that possibility.

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 am

I highly doubt this will ever happen

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:19 pm

What about rack extension to VST?

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:19 pm

electro wrote:What about rack extension to VST?

Most of the rack extensions are things vsts have in abundance. Except for the cv tools.

MachineClaw · Post by **MachineClaw** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Won't happen.

Current Reason Rack SDK cannot address VST.

Someone posted this over at the Propellerhead Reason forum.

I asked for a wrapper Rack that would host an VST Plugin and someone posted and stated that the SDK did not allow it and posted a screenshot that was redacted cause they were under NDA.

There was an interview with the CEO of Propellerhead in which he stated that he thinks the state of VST is a mess doesn't see it's future (or to some effect). big long thread over at Reason forum about the posted interview.

bottom line. do not wait for Reason or anybody else 3rd party to make a Rack extension to host VST. won't happen.

MachineClaw · Post by **MachineClaw** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:58 pm

Interview with Propeller Head CEO:

http://thefrontliner.com/interviews/ind ... boos-30697

here is the Reason Forum LONG thread about said interview:

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... =interview

Page 10 of thread I said something about a Rack/VST thing and on that page someone posted SDK won't do it.

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:55 am

MachineClaw wrote:Interview with Propeller Head CEO:

http://thefrontliner.com/interviews/ind ... boos-30697

here is the Reason Forum LONG thread about said interview:

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... =interview

Page 10 of thread I said something about a Rack/VST thing and on that page someone posted SDK won't do it.

long story short he said vst as a format sucks. I highly disagree but hey that's Ernst's opinon.

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:00 am

Reason with VST/VSTi implementation in any which way, shape or form is just never going to happen. It has never been and it never will be in their 'vision'

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:11 am

Numanoid wrote:FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have

They also did a VST to DX one for PC along with a VST to AU one for MAC.
Sugar Bytes did a VST to AXX adapter but AVID had them stop it (The good sports that they are). However that adapting I would hazard a guess is a lot more simple than VST to Rack Extension or rather one RE that can host VST/VSTi plugins. In an ideal world yeah one open format that everyone sticks to and uses would be the perfect solution but that probably won't ever happen (We can dream though). Its the number of different formats too, Its increased rather than become more uniform

Best, One day maybe just maybe

Dean

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:25 am

KevWestBeats wrote:
MachineClaw wrote:Interview with Propeller Head CEO:

http://thefrontliner.com/interviews/ind ... boos-30697

here is the Reason Forum LONG thread about said interview:

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... =interview

Page 10 of thread I said something about a Rack/VST thing and on that page someone posted SDK won't do it.
long story short he said vst as a format sucks. I highly disagree but hey that's Ernst's opinon.

Not responding to you directly but to the idea that the CEO of one company doesn't appreciate the product technology of another...

But well of course... he is running a company that has it's own proprietary plugin 'standard' for it's own host software.. he isn't going to say 'VST is wonderful' even if he thought it (which it seems he doesn't) because that would mean less control for him and the props as a company.. even more people would be beating down his front door, 'demanding' VST support.. And, if he implemented it, that would mean he'd have to play by Steinberg's rules in part..

I think one of the rules in business is 'Don't praise the features of your competition's products'...

I'm sure they have technical reasons too... but it is a business.. they aren't oblivious to this.

Besides, he states clearly, "Very rarely in history have multiple companies come together to create new successful standards. Most such attempts drown in politics and administration." Thereform, it seems he realizes it is very difficult to start anew in this sector.. and it seems the flipside (to me at least) of this is, VST as an audio plugin 'standard' should be around for quite a bit longer.. simply because OF politics and administration typical of corporate environments.

Probably a good thing it is this way... As flippant as Steinberg can behave.. I think I trust propellerhead even less..

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:52 am

VitaminD wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
MachineClaw wrote:Interview with Propeller Head CEO:

http://thefrontliner.com/interviews/ind ... boos-30697

here is the Reason Forum LONG thread about said interview:

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... =interview

Page 10 of thread I said something about a Rack/VST thing and on that page someone posted SDK won't do it.
long story short he said vst as a format sucks. I highly disagree but hey that's Ernst's opinon.
Not responding to you directly but to the idea that the CEO of one company doesn't appreciate the product technology of another...

But well of course... he is running a company that has it's own proprietary plugin 'standard' for it's own host software.. he isn't going to say 'VST is wonderful' even if he thought it (which it seems he doesn't) because that would mean less control for him and the props as a company.. even more people would be beating down his front door, 'demanding' VST support.. And, if he implemented it, that would mean he'd have to play by Steinberg's rules in part..

I think one of the rules in business is 'Don't praise the features of your competition's products'...

I'm sure they have technical reasons too... but it is a business.. they aren't oblivious to this.

Besides, he states clearly, "Very rarely in history have multiple companies come together to create new successful standards. Most such attempts drown in politics and administration." Thereform, it seems he realizes it is very difficult to start anew in this sector.. and it seems the flipside (to me at least) of this is, VST as an audio plugin 'standard' should be around for quite a bit longer.. simply because OF politics and administration typical of corporate environments.

Probably a good thing it is this way... As flippant as Steinberg can behave.. I think I trust propellerhead even less..

I like Propellerhead but yeah I kind of feel like they made it more difficult than need be for new instruments. I mean RE makes sense for Reason but to me finding a way to make vst work in Reason makes much more sense. Then again I think everyone should support vst at this point.

Reason Rack Extensions VST Adapter?