Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST

[sheldrakes]

I wonder if we should add a MIDI file export?

A definite plus

[spinedoc]

memyselfandus,
I got a few reports about this issue but I cant reproduce it. The pure virtual call is a good hint - I'll get it sorted out.

spinedoc,
I have no idea about Sonar, but for most hosts we found a way to get MIDI in. Another option is to use the standalone and a MIDI loopback drivers such as loopMidi, MidiOx, or LoopBe1. I wonder if we should add a MIDI file export?

A midi file export would be a nice clean way to do this. One of the things are really like about this plug-in versus my roland iG.I. 20 unit or the you rock guitar is that I can easily be playing my standard guitar and quickly insert the plug-in and create some midi quickly just on-the-fly without having to switch to something else and change something in my settings et cetera. A midi export file would be a nice quick way for somebody to just throw something together and then export to midi track quickly without trying to jump through any setup stuff.

Okay I just got the midi loop back driver set up correctly. I was doing it wrong first trying to use a VST instead of the standalone. Not much experience in using external programs with sonar. But suffice to say that the standalone program used with midi loop works great. It still will be nice to have a MIDI export function just for the ease of it though.

I got to say I'm thinking about selling my Roland unit at this point. This thing has the potential to be that good.

[CapnLockheed]

A midi file export would be a nice clean way to do this. One of the things are really like about this plug-in versus my roland iG.I. 20 unit or the you rock guitar is that I can easily be playing my standard guitar and quickly insert the plug-in and create some midi quickly just on-the-fly without having to switch to something else and change something in my settings et cetera. A midi export file would be a nice quick way for somebody to just throw something together and then export to midi track quickly without trying to jump through any setup stuff.

I agree 100%!! I also use a GI-20 and a Yamaha EZ-EG and having to switch in the middle of something can put a damper on the creative flow....likewise, a MIDI file export feature would also help streamline the workflow when inspiration is at hand!

Cheers.....CL

[memyselfandus]

microtone please! I am BEGGING

one way to add this would be the ability to Load "tun" files. like in dimension pro and other plugins.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253799

[memyselfandus]

Can someone confirm that this does not work well at all with pianotech 4? I am getting 2-3 triggers for each 1 note played.

[JamOrigin]

A midi file export would be a nice clean way to do this. One of the things are really like about this plug-in versus my roland iG.I. 20 unit or the you rock guitar is that I can easily be playing my standard guitar and quickly insert the plug-in and create some midi quickly just on-the-fly without having to switch to something else and change something in my settings et cetera. A midi export file would be a nice quick way for somebody to just throw something together and then export to midi track quickly without trying to jump through any setup stuff.

Okay I just got the midi loop back driver set up correctly. I was doing it wrong first trying to use a VST instead of the standalone. Not much experience in using external programs with sonar. But suffice to say that the standalone program used with midi loop works great. It still will be nice to have a MIDI export function just for the ease of it though.

I got to say I'm thinking about selling my Roland unit at this point. This thing has the potential to be that good.

Awesome! We'll just do that MIDI File export.

Now I think of it, in the standalone you might want both MIDI and WAV export, maybe even two WAVs: raw input and the VST output. We'll do a recording button which records all these three files, and when you untoggle it will pop op the expolorer/finder window so you can easily drag them into your DAW. Does that sound reasonable?

microtone please! I am BEGGING

one way to add this would be the ability to Load "tun" files. like in dimension pro and other plugins.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253799

Ok, sure, but please help me out here. The ".tun" files are easy but what do you actually send to the VSTi's/external synths to change its tuning? I'm guessing some SysEx message? Also, will most synths supports recieving such tuning messages, or please let me know one that does.

[ariajazz]

PITCH BEND. I think it can help on triggering notes more accurately since this feature can handle and control the "fingering" fact. Stringed intruments modulate notes, think string bending, tremolo and slides. It very hard for a guitarist to completely change playing technique just to adecuate it for midi guitar playing. We all tend to do some finger tremolo and string movement. I've notice that this produces false reading of the notes and the consequent gosth and spurious note triggering.

This is my experience with many midi guitar systems, software and hardware.

[JamOrigin]

Yes, bends (as in pitch bend) are very important, of course. We're looking into it. Sorry if I didnt make that clear.

Now, we're at it - anybody have the faintest idea about what aspect of timbre should trigger modulation wheel?

[ariajazz]

Actually I have no idea on how you guys are going to aproach this. In terms of midi triggering pitch bend it's like an invented event and depending on its range setting you obtain a proper pitch bend relation. Think on PB wheel (where you can go up an down an octave) that requieres a diferent setting and a bended string which will only madulate by 1 and have tone at least..

Pitch Bending is a series of CC mesagges. I Think that variations in pitch should control this wheel movement. Adjustable PB range can set a propper boundary for the modulation of the strings (bendings)

[JamOrigin]

I think my question was unclear.

What I wanted to ask is, obviously pitch bends should trigger MIDI bend messages, but what kind of sound/timbre would most natural trigger MIDI modulation messages? (Something like vibrato, tremolo, etc)

[AdmiralQuality]

Now, we're at it - anybody have the faintest idea about what aspect of timbre should trigger modulation wheel?

The modulation wheel (which is typically used by most synth patches for vibrato) will be redundant once pitch tracking is added. (As will microtuning.)

Now, what you could do is put the output of an envelope follower (which I'm sure must already be somewhere internally in your process) on a CC#, and that could be set to mod wheel or any other CC# (though, particularly in polyphonic mode, it would probably make the most sense to put it on MIDI poly-pressure).

I've had a chance to play with this a bit and will be getting back to you soon with a longer post about it. I just want to try a few more things first and do some latency measurements to verify what my ears are telling me.

Can someone confirm that this does not work well at all with pianotech 4? I am getting 2-3 triggers for each 1 note played.

Machinegun triggering won't have anything to do with the destination instrument. Try setting the Pitch Prediction slider to a different value. I'm finding 1 seems to work best for me.

[memyselfandus]

A midi file export would be a nice clean way to do this. One of the things are really like about this plug-in versus my roland iG.I. 20 unit or the you rock guitar is that I can easily be playing my standard guitar and quickly insert the plug-in and create some midi quickly just on-the-fly without having to switch to something else and change something in my settings et cetera. A midi export file would be a nice quick way for somebody to just throw something together and then export to midi track quickly without trying to jump through any setup stuff.

Okay I just got the midi loop back driver set up correctly. I was doing it wrong first trying to use a VST instead of the standalone. Not much experience in using external programs with sonar. But suffice to say that the standalone program used with midi loop works great. It still will be nice to have a MIDI export function just for the ease of it though.

I got to say I'm thinking about selling my Roland unit at this point. This thing has the potential to be that good.

Awesome! We'll just do that MIDI File export.

Now I think of it, in the standalone you might want both MIDI and WAV export, maybe even two WAVs: raw input and the VST output. We'll do a recording button which records all these three files, and when you untoggle it will pop op the expolorer/finder window so you can easily drag them into your DAW. Does that sound reasonable?

microtone please! I am BEGGING

one way to add this would be the ability to Load "tun" files. like in dimension pro and other plugins.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253799

Ok, sure, but please help me out here. The ".tun" files are easy but what do you actually send to the VSTi's/external synths to change its tuning? I'm guessing some SysEx message? Also, will most synths supports recieving such tuning messages, or please let me know one that does.

as far as I know it just sends Pitch Bend data

[AdmiralQuality]

.tun files are actually for instruments, not MIDI controllers.

Like I said above, once it starts tracking pitchbend you should be able to have any tuning.

One thing that would be nice to see immediately are controls for the range, so those wanting to experiment with bass, baritone guitars, or lower tunings don't bottom out at the low E. (There should probably be a lowest note slider to avoid false low notes from instuments that can't make them.)

[JamOrigin]

There is actually a standard for midi tunings:
http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
Do major synths actually respond to such tuning messages?

Once again bass is comming. Along that drop tunings.

[AdmiralQuality]

There is actually a standard for midi tunings:
http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
Do major synths actually respond to such tuning messages?

Most do not. And this changes the note scale, so it's of little value for guitar tracking as the frets are always 1 semitone apart. Pitch bend (and multi-channel per-string output) is what we want for that.

Once again bass is comming. Along that drop tunings.

Sweet! And maybe that should also mean it can be set to handle more strings, as there are 7 string guitars. We even have one customer who has a MIDI-fied Chapman stick with 12 strings (and two hex pickups) so he controls Poly-Ana with it utilizing all 12 voices in "guitar" mode! So, another slider for string count?

(I'm also starting to get curious about what happens if I run a piano performance through this. Or even a fully mixed song. While it obviously can't accurately transcribe THAT, maybe it can pick out enough to be helpful to those who are trying to figure parts out by ear.)