Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST

[JamOrigin]

<<Do you mean audio track? Everything is recorded digitally in Cubase.>>

What I meant was audio and not midi

I just tried an audio track, yet Guitar MIDI does not show up as a possible effect choice for that track.

Did you put MIDIGuitar .dll in your Steinberg VST plugins folder? If it's in your vst folder, it should show up as an available plugin in Cubase.

Thank you for replying! From this thread, I downloaded MIDI-Guitar-0.3.0-Mac.zip. Within that it contains MIDI Guitar.app, MIDI Guitar.component, and MIDI Guitar.vst files (along with some .txt files). Originally, I had all those here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins

Then I put the MIDI Guitar.vst here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>VST

Then I tried putting MIDI Guitar.component here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>Components

In all of the above cases, I couldn't open MIDI Guitar as an effect within a Cubase LE4 audio track.

I have yet to see the file:

MIDIGuitar.dll anywhere. Where do I get that? Is that in the Mac version? Or just the Windows version?

MIDI Guitar.dll is only for Windows. The Mac plugins are called MIDI Guitar.vst and MIDI Guitar.component.

Version 0.3.0 of MIDI Guitar has a bug that will cause it not to load in some DAWs. We had this problem with Ableton Live 8 and Reaper on MacOSX. It might be the same issue that prevents Cubase from loading it. We have fixed this bug and will release a new version before the end of this week, maybe tomorrow.

Also, MIDI Guitar is currently only available as a 32-bit plugin, some 64-bit DAWs will not load it. 64-bit Reaper on Mac will list the MIDI Guitar plugin, but not load it (not sure why). It works fine in 32-bit Reaper. We are working on the 64 bit plugin, but please use the standalone version for now - it should work with any DAW.

[AdmiralQuality]

I just tried it in OSX 10.5 (Leopard) and no-go. (It seemed to be complaining about an SSL library. Not sure why it would have that, other than if your update-checker is using HTTPS instead of HTTP.)

What's the minimum platform spec, JamOrigin?

(I have later OSX versions as well, but was running that one because I have Cubase 4 LE installed on it and was trying to verify aaron aardvark's observations. Stand-alone crashed on launch. VST didn't show up in Cubase's VST Plug-Ins list. Didn't bother to try the AU.)

[JamOrigin]

I just tried it in OSX 10.5 (Leopard) and no-go. (It seemed to be complaining about an SSL library. Not sure why it would have that, other than if your update-checker is using HTTPS instead of HTTP.)

What's the minimum platform spec, JamOrigin?

(I have later OSX versions as well, but was running that one because I have Cubase 4 LE installed on it and was trying to verify aaron aardvark's observations. Stand-alone crashed on launch. VST didn't show up in Cubase's VST Plug-Ins list. Didn't bother to try the AU.)

Thanks for taking the time to verify the issue and reporting back. Can you provide some more details on the error?

We use some of cryptographic components of SSL for activating the user license.

[AdmiralQuality]

We use some of cryptographic components of SSL for activating the user license.

Ah, right. (You might want to take a look at cryptopp for that.)

Will get back to you with the error report next time I'm in that machine. (Later today, probably.)

[ThoughtExperiment]

Ok, I had the first chance to give this a good run-through yesterday, and overall I was blown away. But since that's not very useful feedback here are a few observations:

My setup :
PC, Win7 64 bit, 2GB RAM, 2core x 2.9GHz AMD processor, DAW=Reaper

Latency with the stand-alone version is just noticeable with the 256 buffer - this improves when I switch to 128, but the sound quality suffers due to glitching/crackling. Since I'm a little low on RAM at the moment, that might improve when I add some more.

However, using it in VST mode, I couldn't hear any latency at all. Feeding it a strong clean tone, pitch detection was excellent on chords and moderately-paced single note runs on the default settings. Faster runs (although I'm no Steve Vai ) benefitted from switching to monophonic mode. Tracking was very reliable too - the odd glitch here and there disappeared when I tried a bit harder and played more cleanly

One thing I haven't managed yet, is to get much dynamic variation from the synthesised instrument. I guess that will come from experimenting with both the synth's velocity sensitivity and MIDIGuitar's sensitivity?

Overall, though, mighty impressive

[jdt]

<<Do you mean audio track? Everything is recorded digitally in Cubase.>>

What I meant was audio and not midi

I just tried an audio track, yet Guitar MIDI does not show up as a possible effect choice for that track.

Did you put MIDIGuitar .dll in your Steinberg VST plugins folder? If it's in your vst folder, it should show up as an available plugin in Cubase.

Thank you for replying! From this thread, I downloaded MIDI-Guitar-0.3.0-Mac.zip. Within that it contains MIDI Guitar.app, MIDI Guitar.component, and MIDI Guitar.vst files (along with some .txt files). Originally, I had all those here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins

Then I put the MIDI Guitar.vst here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>VST

Then I tried putting MIDI Guitar.component here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>Components

In all of the above cases, I couldn't open MIDI Guitar as an effect within a Cubase LE4 audio track.

I have yet to see the file:

MIDIGuitar.dll anywhere. Where do I get that? Is that in the Mac version? Or just the Windows version?

MIDI Guitar.dll is only for Windows. The Mac plugins are called MIDI Guitar.vst and MIDI Guitar.component.

Version 0.3.0 of MIDI Guitar has a bug that will cause it not to load in some DAWs. We had this problem with Ableton Live 8 and Reaper on MacOSX. It might be the same issue that prevents Cubase from loading it. We have fixed this bug and will release a new version before the end of this week, maybe tomorrow.

Also, MIDI Guitar is currently only available as a 32-bit plugin, some 64-bit DAWs will not load it. 64-bit Reaper on Mac will list the MIDI Guitar plugin, but not load it (not sure why). It works fine in 32-bit Reaper. We are working on the 64 bit plugin, but please use the standalone version for now - it should work with any DAW.

Whoops, sorry. I didn't see you were using a Mac.

[Svans]

Amazing software! It's hard to notice any delay at all in monyphonic mode. The polyphonic mode is really impressive. Even though I actually can't believe my eyes and ears when the plug detects chords I wish for a faster response.

Suggestions:
x I would really love to be able to record a midi file and to be able to choose MidiGuitar as midi input in the DAW. If I bought your product I would assume that this function was supported. From my point of view, this is the only major flaw in an otherwise outstanding product.

x Velocity detection - where is it?

x A "help" button with info about setup - f.i. explaining "pitch prediction"

X faster polyphonic response (if possible)


System:
Gibson LP Standard, Focusrite Saffire LE soundcard, Running Ableton Live 32bit with 3.6 Input Latency, 5.5 Output Latency. Core I7 2600@ 3.40 mhz, 16gb ram, ssd hd.

[atraf11]

<<Do you mean audio track? Everything is recorded digitally in Cubase.>>

What I meant was audio and not midi

I just tried an audio track, yet Guitar MIDI does not show up as a possible effect choice for that track.

Did you put MIDIGuitar .dll in your Steinberg VST plugins folder? If it's in your vst folder, it should show up as an available plugin in Cubase.

Thank you for replying! From this thread, I downloaded MIDI-Guitar-0.3.0-Mac.zip. Within that it contains MIDI Guitar.app, MIDI Guitar.component, and MIDI Guitar.vst files (along with some .txt files). Originally, I had all those here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins

Then I put the MIDI Guitar.vst here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>VST

Then I tried putting MIDI Guitar.component here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>Components

In all of the above cases, I couldn't open MIDI Guitar as an effect within a Cubase LE4 audio track.

I have yet to see the file:

MIDIGuitar.dll anywhere. Where do I get that? Is that in the Mac version? Or just the Windows version?

MIDI Guitar.dll is only for Windows. The Mac plugins are called MIDI Guitar.vst and MIDI Guitar.component.

Version 0.3.0 of MIDI Guitar has a bug that will cause it not to load in some DAWs. We had this problem with Ableton Live 8 and Reaper on MacOSX. It might be the same issue that prevents Cubase from loading it. We have fixed this bug and will release a new version before the end of this week, maybe tomorrow.

Also, MIDI Guitar is currently only available as a 32-bit plugin, some 64-bit DAWs will not load it. 64-bit Reaper on Mac will list the MIDI Guitar plugin, but not load it (not sure why). It works fine in 32-bit Reaper. We are working on the 64 bit plugin, but please use the standalone version for now - it should work with any DAW.

cant wait for the fix

[aaron aardvark]

Did you try the scan for available instruments option in the audio output drop down list?

Thank you for replying! For me, the Output Device is Built-In Output, there are no other choices: that is within Guitar MIDI, not sure if you are talking about within Cubase.

[JamOrigin]

Amazing software! It's hard to notice any delay at all in monyphonic mode. The polyphonic mode is really impressive. Even though I actually can't believe my eyes and ears when the plug detects chords I wish for a faster response.

Suggestions:
x I would really love to be able to record a midi file and to be able to choose MidiGuitar as midi input in the DAW. If I bought your product I would assume that this function was supported. From my point of view, this is the only major flaw in an otherwise outstanding product.

Thanks for the feedback, we really appreciate it!

You can record MIDI in your DAW using the plugin, we have a bunch of guides for various DAWs at the MIDI Guitar website.

If you are using the standalone version, then on Windows you can download and install loopMIDI which will act as a virtual MIDI cable between MIDI Guitar and your DAW. The setup will be: Guitar -> Interface -> MIDI Guitar Standalone -> loopMIDI -> DAW.

[Svans]

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Thanks for the feedback, we really appreciate it!

You can record MIDI in your DAW using the plugin, we have a bunch of guides for various DAWs at the MIDI Guitar (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html) website.

That's great. I didn't know there was any guide. The guide for Ableton Live is not correct though. It should say "Add a new AUDIO track named "MIDI GUITAR".

Add a new MIDI track named "MIDI Guitar" and add the MIDI Guitar plugin to it. Add another MIDI Track named "MIDI Output". For "Input Type" on the "MIDI Output" track select "MIDI Guitar" and in "Input Channel" select "MIDI Guitar".

You could also give some suggestions on settings in both the DAW and Midi Guitar. Most users would probably want to insert vst instruments outside of the plug. Something like this maybe: "If you want to use MIDI guitar as a regular midi input apply the following settings in MIDI Guitar output: "No output", Audio Input: "No instrument". Add a new AUDIO track named "MIDI GUITAR" and add the MIDI Guitar plugin to it. Add another MIDI Track named "MIDI Output". For "Input Type" on the "MIDI Output" track select "MIDI Guitar" and in "Input Channel" select "MIDI Guitar". Select "Monitor IN" on both these channels. You can now insert VST instruments to the Midi Channel, play them in real time using your guitar, record MIDI data, i.e. use it as you would with a regular MIDI channel."

[JamOrigin]

That's great. I didn't know there was any guide. The guide for Ableton Live is not correct though. It should say "Add a new AUDIO track named "MIDI GUITAR".
Add a new MIDI track named "MIDI Guitar" and add the MIDI Guitar plugin to it. Add another MIDI Track named "MIDI Output". For "Input Type" on the "MIDI Output" track select "MIDI Guitar" and in "Input Channel" select "MIDI Guitar".

You could also give some suggestions on settings in both the DAW and Midi Guitar. Most users would probably want to insert vst instruments outside of the plug. Something like this maybe: "If you want to use MIDI guitar as a regular midi input apply the following settings in MIDI Guitar output: "No output", Audio Input: "No instrument". Add a new AUDIO track named "MIDI GUITAR" and add the MIDI Guitar plugin to it. Add another MIDI Track named "MIDI Output". For "Input Type" on the "MIDI Output" track select "MIDI Guitar" and in "Input Channel" select "MIDI Guitar". Select "Monitor IN" on both these channels. You can now insert VST instruments to the Midi Channel, play them in real time using your guitar, record MIDI data, i.e. use it as you would with a regular MIDI channel."

Thanks for letting us know about the error in the Ableton Live description, this has now been fixed.

The next beta will have some built in help pages and we are very interested in hearing your opinion about them, once you get your hands on the new version.

[davidfoge]

I like this app it has supernatural powers, for slow playing its as good as my GR20 roland synth and GK-3 pickup, for faster playing there are a few missed notes, but nothing to complain about.

[JamOrigin]

MIDI Guitar 0.4 beta is here!

WHAT'S NEW:

• General recognition adjustments
  Added "Getting Started" help information.
  Added three new recognition presets for different types of guitars.
  Added support for selecting input channel.
  
  Fixed VST, AU startup crash. Tested on Mac OS X in Ableton Live 8 and REAPER 32-bit.
  Fixed crash bug on Mac OS X 10.5
  Various minor fixes

SCREENSHOT:




HOW TO DOWNLOAD (TESTERS ONLY):

Run the previous version of MIDI Guitar (version 0.3.0 or 0.2.3) on an online computer. It will notify you about the update (version 0.4.0).

[atraf11]

wicked, thanks. what are the goals for the final version? no delay/latency? basically perfect recognition, even with sloppy playing? i would love for this to be able to capture all the human variations on playing so you can just jam out and not have to worry about playing a certain way