Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST

[JamOrigin]

JamOrigin,
Yes, I should have mentioned I also tried the INPUT DEVICE: BUILT-IN INPUT and Guitar MIDI seems to receive no signal. My guitar is turned up all the way and my interface input shows it is receiving a signal. So, I have only gotten MIDI Guitar to react to my guitar with the INPUT DEVICE set at BUILT-IN MICROPHONE, but as I stated earlier the note detection is very dodgy. I definitely have my interface plugged in before I turn on my computer. I have never had a guitar input into my computer outside of using Cubase LE4 (not counting the mic input stated earlier), so I wouldn't be surprised if there is some computer setting to get that signal from the interface to MIDI Guitar somehow. Earlier someone mentioned a setting for a PC/Windows, but I have an iMac.

This is MIDI Guitar running on Mac. I believe Built-in Input is actually Line-In on Macs, so this is not your Audio Interface.

I have a audio interface connected via USB and it shows up as "USB AUDIO CODEC".

Your Audio Interface should also show up as its own entry.

[JamOrigin]

I have to say that MIDI GUITAR is tracking and behaving almost as good as my ROLAND GR system. Great job Ole... We're all in this beta testing project pursuing to develop an incredible piece of software.

Thanks, ariajazz!

These little things take a software and/or plugin to a pro level making things more practical and easier. The same applies to the "arrows" on the different control settings, sensitivity, pitch, etc. They should move values step by step and not the randomly way they behave.

PLEASE don't forget PITCH BEND feature.

Yes, I think we are aware of all the small, easy tasks. Or primary focus have been to get you guys the pitch detectinon to play with, but there are lots of small things that needs to get in place for a final release. We will gradually focus more on these things now. Pitch bend is a major task, and something we are working on currently.

All up though, a great effort and I look forward to the eventual commercial release. I'm sure it will be a success. Thanks for all your work so far...
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It seems like there is some kind of signal auto-compensation going on possibly? I notice that the longer I have the stand alone open the signal being drawn seems to get weaker. Especially if I start with an extra hot signal. Maybe a simple color scheme that indicates when the signal is generally to low or high would be better.

Chrisby, thanks for testing. There is a problem with the wave-form display. Its purely cosmetical though, but thanks for the heads up.

It seems that the setup indicator in vst mode is running ahead of the playback so it looks like it is playing a semitone higher than it is. Also confusing, but it wasn't the guitar out of tune after all.

Yes, we are under the impression that MIDI Guitar quite robust to tunings that are a bit off. But why would the VST run ahead of playback? - sounds weird(?).

Ah, I see what you're getting at. Fudging the MIDI output through pitch bend messages to match a particular alternate tuning.

But I think when you get to this you're going to realize you've opened a horrible can of worms, as you're also going to be using those same pitch bend messages to track source bends. And when subsequent semitones are no longer (necessarily) evenly spaced in pitch ratio, how can that bend be appropriately interpreted?

So yes, what you describe there is possible, within certain constraints -- obviously the destination instrument and MIDI-Guitar need to agree on the pitch bend range, but that's normal for multichannel MIDI guitar controllers. There will also be many possible cases where the .tun file can't be interpreted by adding pitch bend to the standard MIDI note frequency, because the bend range of the instrument isn't enough. (Say we mapped all 128 keys to 1 cent intervals so they only spread across a couple of semitones.) And if the pitch ratios at every "semitone" aren't equal, it will void the whole point of string bend tracking. (Maybe that will be a mode you can turn off when using .tun files.) Very messy, but within a lot of constraints, I suppose it's possible.

I understand what you're getting at now. Carry on!

Great. We are aware of the problems, but think at least in some cases its managable, and for very exotic tunings we can disable bends. But thanks a lot for the critical analysis.

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Anyway, I'd like to repeat that I'm extremely pleased with the improvements in the new version, you've definitely done hell of a job with this one. Thank you for developing this great plugin!

PS. I'm using the VST version, and I have a compressor (with even 10-20db GR during strumming), an exciter and a volume adjustment in the chain before MIDI Guitar, and this seems to improve the tracking a lot. Without these plugins, the sensitivity isn't quite enough even at 100 to respond to my light touch.

I think we can look into a mode for light touch/finger play style - seems like a good idea. It makes good sense that compression and or exciter could benefit such setup. In the future we will try to integrate something similar.

[CapnLockheed]

I experienced a catastrophic HDD crash and lost my beta license. I'm back up and have upgraded to Win8 and would like to begin testing in that environment. I tried to dld my license file from the link in the order fulfillment e-mail


https://sites.fastspring.com/jamorigin/ ... 4108/SSM51


but got the following error mssg on the JamOrigin site:


JamOrigin Store
File Download
MIDI Guitar.license (Not Available)


Cheers....CL

[memyselfandus]

this is all ground breaking stuff going on here.

[aaron aardvark]

JamOrigin,
For me, with iMac OSX10.6.8, and MIDI Guitar, the only Input Device options I have is: BUILT-IN MICROPHONE or BUILT-IN INPUT. USB AUDIO CODEC is not available to choose for me. Even if I have my interface plugged in to my computer before my computer is turned on.

[JamOrigin]

MIDI Guitar 0.4.1 beta is here!

WHAT'S NEW:

• 64-bit versions available for all versions: Standalone, VST and AU for both Windows and Mac.
  Fixed VST and AU not saving their state in DAW projects.
  Amps and Effects can now be used as a hosted instrument.
  Added Octave Shift buttons below Pitch Shift slider.
  Added Fixed velocity feature.
  Browsing for plugins will now recursively scan sub-directories.
  Arrow buttons now move a single step on a single mouse click.
  MIDI Notes are cleared when changing pitch shift.

SCREENSHOT:




HOW TO DOWNLOAD (TESTERS ONLY):

Run the previous version of MIDI Guitar (version 0.3.0 or 0.4.0) on an online computer. It will notify you about the update (version 0.4.1).

[Eleventh]

I played around with the x64 Windows version on Reaper, and it works great except for one thing: the plugin doesn't recall the preset correctly. I've made a track template in Reaper with my sensitivity settings, but every time I insert MIDI Guitar, it loads the default template with 25 sensitivity etc. I also tried saving my preset as the default using Reaper's VST shell, but that didn't work either. So, I have to always select my preset in the plugin's Recognition Presets.

[JamOrigin]

Eleventh, thanks for testing - we will fix that bug. As you also mentioned earlier, creating presets is a bit confusing, and we will try to simplify it for next update. Thanks.

[coincidental]

OK, just got this working in Sonar - previously could not get Sonar to recognise its MIDI output, as Enable MIDI Output didn't do so, even when MIDI Guitar was had "Configure as a synth" checked under VST properties.

Sadly, the only way I could get Sonar to play ball was a registry hack, albeit a minor one.

The key is how Sonar recognises it on initial scan, so dig into
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory\
and find the MIDI Guitar entry, then edit the generateEvents key to have the value 1 instead of 0. (Usual caveats apply re

Whether this is a Sonar shortcoming, or whether there's something in MIDI Guitar that isn't set up so that SONAR is getting this information, I don't know. The net result, though, is that Sonar now shows a track with MIDI guitar (even just playing an audio file, rather than dealing with live input) as a midi source in soft synth tracks and midi tracks.

Case solved! Hopefully.

[JamOrigin]

coincidental, thats very cool you got it working in Sonar!

I wonder what it would take for Sonar to enable that "generateEvents" tag, and why its not enabled for MIDI Guitar. Maybe the reason is that MIDI Guitar VST is categorized as an effect.

One way to hack our way though is to let MIDI Guitar look in the registry and modify that tag by itself, but most likely it wouldnt work on first launch then.

[metalifuxx]

Wow, this thing is just awesome . Probably one of the best and most innovative plugins to come about in years. Even though there have been a few "audio to midi" plugins around, they can not even compare at all with this, and should render them as free now. I would feel ripped off if I bought one of those older audio to midi plugs, and then tried the Jam Origin. A dream come true for guitarists especially. I have had no problems with it in Ableton Live 7. So easy to set it up with Live's easy routing system.

My setup is usually an IK Multimedia Stealth Pedal or M-Audio Mobile Pre. I either use a Squire Strat with cheaper stock single coils or a 1996 Les Paul Standard with its stock medium/high output Alnico 490/496 humbucker pickups.

I did this with the Les Paul into the M-Audio Mobile Pre interface, with the preamp gain on the interface at a regular level so it pegged the green led to light up for a good incoming level. First a mostly single note riff melody in polyphonic mode, and then full barre/open chords with one strum and some strings picked through after the first full strum. The last chord (an open E ) I let ring out and it kept translating the sustain and velocity until the chord stopped ringing. F'n cool.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20songs/choir.mp3

[ijohnnygo]

Hi,

How is it possible to take part in the beta testing ?

thanks in advance

[any1particular]

Wow, this thing is just awesome . Probably one of the best and most innovative plugins to come about in years. Even though there have been a few "audio to midi" plugins around, they can not even compare at all with this, and should render them as free now. I would feel ripped off if I bought one of those older audio to midi plugs, and then tried the Jam Origin. A dream come true for guitarists especially. I have had no problems with it in Ableton Live 7. So easy to set it up with Live's easy routing system.

My setup is usually an IK Multimedia Stealth Pedal or M-Audio Mobile Pre. I either use a Squire Strat with cheaper stock single coils or a 1996 Les Paul Standard with its stock medium/high output Alnico 490/496 humbucker pickups.

I did this with the Les Paul into the M-Audio Mobile Pre interface, with the preamp gain on the interface at a regular level so it pegged the green led to light up for a good incoming level. First a mostly single note riff melody in polyphonic mode, and then full barre/open chords with one strum and some strings picked through after the first full strum. The last chord (an open E ) I let ring out and it kept translating the sustain and velocity until the chord stopped ringing. F'n cool.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20songs/choir.mp3

Cooleo. Wow. This looks verrrrrrrry exciting. Nice demo there metalifuxx....

I too am wondering how to get in on the beta testing?

[JamOrigin]

Wow, this thing is just awesome . Probably one of the best and most innovative plugins to come about in years. Even though there have been a few "audio to midi" plugins around, they can not even compare at all with this, and should render them as free now. I would feel ripped off if I bought one of those older audio to midi plugs, and then tried the Jam Origin. A dream come true for guitarists especially. I have had no problems with it in Ableton Live 7. So easy to set it up with Live's easy routing system.

My setup is usually an IK Multimedia Stealth Pedal or M-Audio Mobile Pre. I either use a Squire Strat with cheaper stock single coils or a 1996 Les Paul Standard with its stock medium/high output Alnico 490/496 humbucker pickups.

I did this with the Les Paul into the M-Audio Mobile Pre interface, with the preamp gain on the interface at a regular level so it pegged the green led to light up for a good incoming level. First a mostly single note riff melody in polyphonic mode, and then full barre/open chords with one strum and some strings picked through after the first full strum. The last chord (an open E ) I let ring out and it kept translating the sustain and velocity until the chord stopped ringing. F'n cool.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20songs/choir.mp3

Thank you, metalifuxx!


MIDI Guitar 0.4.2 beta is here!

WHAT'S NEW:

• Simplified creation of recognition presets
  Pitch Sensitivity setup now shows sensitivity level for each pitch.
  Add "Connect To DAW.." option to explain how to send MIDI to a DAW.
  Fixed issue where AU/VST would not save selected recognition preset.
  Fixed waveform scaling bug
  Fixed VST search paths on Windows for 64-bit.

EARLY ACCESS DOWNLOAD:

We have had an overwhelming interest in joining the Beta test, and so we decided to open up the gates for everybody starting today.

However, in order for us to focus on development of MIDI Guitar, we have changed the scheme from handling each of your requests individually, to offering a free trial function that lets you preview MIDI Guitar and follow developments.

At this time the free trial is identical to the full version except for a bugger dialogue that will pop up once in a while when using MIDI Output or loading a VST/AudioUnit. This is also the beginning of a campaign where you can buy MIDI Guitar, at a discount, to support our development.

More information will be available in the first post in this thread within the next 24 hours.

[metalifuxx]

Ok so here is the previous idea in a whole song context with more layering.

Bassline and vox/choir all played through Midi Guitar. No keyboard/midi controller, programming, and no midi loops were used whatsoever. And I certainly can't sing like that either

The Natty Daddy Choir (an ode to the cheap malt liquor and jamming with good friends):D
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20songs/ND.mp3