New DIVA components

[fmr]

Roland filter specs

I see nothing there that would interest me besides the pair of System 700:
Module 703a,b,c: 12dB LP / BP / HP / Notch - Module 703e,d,f: 24dB Lowpass.

These two in series would really bring something to the table. Even the first one alone would already bring something new (currently, we don't have a notch filter there).

But this is a task more for Zebra, or ACE XL, I guess. And still a complete universe apart of the filter of the Xpander/Matrix-12 (sorry).

[fmr]

THIS PAGE shows several diagrams based on the extraordinary CEM3320 filter chip, which is the base for the OB-Xa filter, the Synthex filter and the Xpander/Matrix12 filter (different configurations). Now THIS would bring something different, specially with all those different possible configurations.

[Howard]

Roland filter specs

Thanks for that hakey!

[Howard]

Hence matching the 101 might be doable for us with tweaks to the cascade filter - in addition to rough and clean settings.

I think we have SH101 already covered... except for the arpeggiator . BTW I voted for 303.

[hakey]

I'd vote 303 if it were possible to emulate the full thing - filter, sequencer, accent, glide and all of the quirks that together make the distinctive, bizarre 303 sound.

But I can't see that fitting the Diva paradigm, or being especially worthwhile other than as a 303 emulation.

That said, if the filter is sufficiently distinctive in its own right...

[hakey]

double post

[hakey]

Roland filter specs

I see nothing there that would interest me

Was a response to Olikana's SH101 18dB filter post, not a suggestion.

[olikana]

Roland filter specs

I see nothing there that would interest me

Was a response to Olikana's SH101 18dB filter post, not a suggestion.

oops
then definitely skip the sh101 and go for the 303 filter which should be pretty much the same as the one in the system101 and EMS VCS3.
which are 24db ladders didoes with some schematic mods(probably not to get sued by moog) that make them sound like a 18db....
but first and foremost i think priority remains the oberheim one.

[Urs]

I'd vote 303 if it were possible to emulate the full thing - filter, sequencer, accent, glide and all of the quirks that together make the distinctive, bizarre 303 sound.

Look at Baby Steps http://www.youtube.com/uheplugins sec 15. Howie enables the Sequencer which is then played (key transposed) by the Arpeggiator. The Sequencer records ties, velocity, "rests" and even chords. If we manage to add clever controls this should surpass 101 and 303.

[djanthonyw]

My vote goes to SH-101 and TB-303.

I asked before, but I'll ask you, since you requested that one specifically...is there a sound or type of sound you can get on an SH-101 that you can't get with the Roland modules already in Diva? It seems like there's nothing on it that's not already there...just curious.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... -diva.html

I found this thread, and also tried to get similar sounds with Diva. After demoing I think that LuSH-101 / SH-101 do sound different.

[olikana]

a good site with factual information on the 24db vs 18db issue regarding some roland synths(towards end of page)
http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
although it doesn't involve the sh101 which is a straightforward roland ota with just sligghtly different resonance stage (so i read), its interesting in regards to the 303, system 100/101 and ems vcs3 and a couple of other manufacturers which adopted this design.

[markcohn]

THIS PAGE shows several diagrams based on the extraordinary CEM3320 filter chip, which is the base for the OB-Xa filter, the Synthex filter and the Xpander/Matrix12 filter (different configurations). Now THIS would bring something different, specially with all those different possible configurations.

Would this also bring things into the realm of the Prophet 5? Wasn't the CEM3320 also the VCF chips SCI switched to in Rev 3? Yes, adding that would be sweet...

[fmr]

THIS PAGE shows several diagrams based on the extraordinary CEM3320 filter chip, which is the base for the OB-Xa filter, the Synthex filter and the Xpander/Matrix12 filter (different configurations). Now THIS would bring something different, specially with all those different possible configurations.

Would this also bring things into the realm of the Prophet 5? Wasn't the CEM3320 also the VCF chips SCI switched to in Rev 3? Yes, adding that would be sweet...

According to Wikipedia, yes, the Rev 3:
Prophet 5 Rev 3: 11x CEM3340 VCO, 10x CEM3310 EG, 5x CEM3320 VCF

But people around here seem to like more Rev 2, which have different components:
Prophet 5 Rev 1 & 2: 11x SSM2030 VCO, 5x SSM2040 VCF, 10x SSM2050 EG, 21x SSM2020 VCA

[hakey]

I'd vote 303 if it were possible to emulate the full thing - filter, sequencer, accent, glide and all of the quirks that together make the distinctive, bizarre 303 sound.

Look at Baby Steps http://www.youtube.com/uheplugins sec 15. Howie enables the Sequencer which is then played (key transposed) by the Arpeggiator. The Sequencer records ties, velocity, "rests" and even chords. If we manage to add clever controls this should surpass 101 and 303.

Yep, sounds interesting.

I was referring to the kind of quirks that, when combined, give the 303 its distinctive character. And for many, even though they don't know it, it's the behaviour of the whole that they want, not just the filter or a tick box of functions.

Put it this way, Diva's four stage envelopes arguably surpass the Moog style ADS versions, but the latter are still deemed necessary to replicate Moogishness. And capturing the essence of 303ness, if that were the goal, would require similar attention to detail.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Yep! The 303 is more than the sum of it's parts! The sequencer, the envelopes and how they react to accents, the oscillators (especially the square waveform), the filter...

That's why I think that many people would be disappointed. A 303 filter doesn't make everything you put into it sound like a 303. Sure, one of the cool features of Diva is the mix and match approach, and it would surely be interesting to route the Alpha Juno waves through a 303 filter and stuff like that but the results may be different then many people would expect.

I'm still voting for some more "out there" modules. The Polivoks seems to be interesting! In my opinion we have the tame basics covered! The MS-20 filter is the most interesting at the moment imo. An Oberheim filter would only add a tiny variation of something we already have.....I don't know how many of these are really necessery.

Cheers
Dennis