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MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:01 pm

Go to audio setup and set the Num Audio Threads to 1 less than now so to make sure the UI has its own thread. Does that make a difference?

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:54 pm

Nickl wrote:I have only just downloaded 5.0.31 and have yet to explore the new features in detail. One thing I have noticed already, though, is that Mulab 5 appears to be a lot less responsive to mouse clicks. It may be that my PC is having a bad hair day, but I am often having to click either left or right buttons several times before I get any response. It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to be annoying. I went back into Mulab 4 and the mouse buttons worked first time without exception.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Yay! I posted about this a couple weeks ago. Glad I'm not the only one. Hopefully it'll get sorted soon.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:01 pm

mutools wrote:Go to audio setup and set the Num Audio Threads to 1 less than now so to make sure the UI has its own thread. Does that make a difference?

A very quick test reveals - yes it seems to make a difference. Will let you know if it changes though.

The only problem is that this reduces multi-core to 1!!! Waste of time having multi-core then isn't it? Do you plan to add Hyper Threading support? Or is that not up to MuLab? When I started with M5 I had it set to Auto(4) this had to be reduced to 2 due to another problem and now I'm down to 1 because of another!

I assume you're still fine tuning the multi-core setup? I hope this can be resolved at some point.

plutonia · Post by **plutonia** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:56 pm

mutools wrote:Go to audio setup and set the Num Audio Threads to 1 less than now so to make sure the UI has its own thread. Does that make a difference?

it's fine on dual core desktop pc so just old single core laptop seems slightly slower.

> DiGiT < · Post by **> DiGiT <** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:04 pm

sl23 wrote:I assume you're still fine tuning the multi-core setup? I hope this can be resolved at some point.

yeah a resolution would be to buy a current machine with more cores.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:05 pm

sl23 wrote:The only problem is that this reduces multi-core to 1!!! Waste of time having multi-core then isn't it? Do you plan to add Hyper Threading support? Or is that not up to MuLab? When I started with M5 I had it set to Auto(4) this had to be reduced to 2 due to another problem and now I'm down to 1 because of another! I assume you're still fine tuning the multi-core setup? I hope this can be resolved at some point.

Hyper-threading is not real parralel processing and it should not be counted as real multi cores. Unfortunately i have not yet found an easy way to detect HT, otherwise i would adapt the "Auto" setting so it does not include any HT cores.

About the UI thread: It's not an obligation to have a separate UI thread, it's a choice. If you choose to assign as much power as possible to audio, then it's a logical consequence that the UI performance is decreasing. If you don't want that, use a separate UI thread. I'm not a magician and i can't change math

When UI performance is suffering because your machine is generating/processing a lot of audio, then mouse clicks may be delayed a bit, but not skipped.

Digit is right if you want even more audio power and meanwhile a lightning fast UI, make sure you have a machine that can deliver that. I don't see anything wrong in MuLab's multi-core engine.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:20 pm

pljones wrote:Go to bed! You should sleep, not code...
(Evidence: look at the zip file...)

Oops, missed this post. Damn, right. Updated the zips.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:23 pm

megalodonnl wrote:Event Graph Editor (below the Note Editor):

Is there a key to press in order to draw a perfectly straight horizontal line? Right now this is hard to do. A constrain function like graphics software have by holding the SHIFT key would be helpful: http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/photos ... 507ex2.htm

Hold control or double-click.

Grid instead of vertical lines only:

I do see Grid options after RMB click in the audomation track but I can't see a grid, only in the note editor I have a grid.

I can't repeat this. Please post a screenshot so i can see what you mean.

Shared copy on automation track:
I can't find a way to create a shared copy of an automation part (in a automation track). Would be nice if that would work just as with the other parts on the Composer.

It's not yet supported but on the wishlist. Also looping automation parts.

Nickl · Post by **Nickl** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:40 am

mutools wrote:Go to audio setup and set the Num Audio Threads to 1 less than now so to make sure the UI has its own thread. Does that make a difference?

Yes thanks - that seems to have resolved the problem.

megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:36 pm

BTW: in ML5, after choosing new project and clicking on Basic Synth, I only see Factory instruments/effects in the popup window and there's no way to get to the User-, or VST folder from that popup window. In ML4 I also had my User folder visible.
Perhaps it would be a faster workflow when you can see the full tree with VST's, User, Sends, etc., just like you have when you click on an empty rack slot.

megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:56 pm

mutools wrote:
megalodonnl wrote:Event Graph Editor (below the Note Editor):

Is there a key to press in order to draw a perfectly straight horizontal line? Right now this is hard to do. A constrain function like graphics software have by holding the SHIFT key would be helpful: http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/photos ... 507ex2.htm
Hold control or double-click.

{edit]: I elaborated in my next post in this topic.

mutools wrote:
megalodonnl wrote: Grid instead of vertical lines only:

I do see Grid options after RMB click in the audomation track but I can't see a grid, only in the note editor I have a grid.
I can't repeat this. Please post a screenshot so i can see what you mean.

Nevermind, I just meant there was no way to have a Grid with squares like you use in math class; only vertical lines. Just like you have the current Grid options that enable the user to snap to those vertical lines, it would be nice if there were horizontal lines to snap to as well. That would also solve the 'perfect straight horizontal line'-problem I posted above. And another benefit is that it will be much easier to snap your line to a specific decibel when you are creating a graph to control the Gain on the Automation Track.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:46 pm

megalodonnl wrote:BTW: in ML5, after choosing new project and clicking on Basic Synth, I only see Factory instruments/effects in the popup window and there's no way to get to the User-, or VST folder from that popup window. In ML4 I also had my User folder visible.

Are you sure you copied your user settings? (=inclusive your user lib)

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:19 pm

mutools wrote:Digit is right if you want even more audio power and meanwhile a lightning fast UI, make sure you have a machine that can deliver that. I don't see anything wrong in MuLab's multi-core engine.

Sorry, we're not all rich like you guys, I just upgraded my laptop to a faster one, should I buy another just cos I'm not psychic enough to know multi-core was coming to M5! Or that one core is best kept free for the GUI! Or that HT is NOT supported!

I said nothing about lightning fast! What I did say was "unresponsive", not slow but literally NOT responding to a click made. Not a delayed click, but a click that has NO RESPONSE. You're twisting my words there.

megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:24 pm

mutools wrote:
megalodonnl wrote:BTW: in ML5, after choosing new project and clicking on Basic Synth, I only see Factory instruments/effects in the popup window and there's no way to get to the User-, or VST folder from that popup window. In ML4 I also had my User folder visible.
Are you sure you copied your user settings? (=inclusive your user lib)

I think I only copied my shortcuts file... The User folder and subfolders do exist.

BTW: I edited my post above about using CTRL key. It works OK in the Event Graph Editor, but it does not -constrain- horizontally. Not really a huge problem for me, since I just realized that it only adds to the realism of the realistic drum parts I wanna create. But perhaps in future this could be done with CTRL+SHIFT.

I also wonder how to have all CC controllers accessible to me in the Automation Track that I do have available in the Event Graph Editor, like CC#4 Foot Controller. Instead, I only the Parameters Gain, some Pannings, and Mute...

Basically, it would be great if everything you can do in Event Graph Editor you can also do in the Automation track. Reason: that way you can actually see the graphs in the Composer view. This becomes especially handy (I think) when you need automation for multiple CC controllers and other things and want to have them visible on different tracks. Perhaps then there won't be a need for two different names anymore since they both have same functionality, except that you can then choose to do it on a separate track.

Lastly:

How can I map my modulation wheel (CC#1) to Foot Controller (CC#4)? I tried this via Edit Mapping, but there I can only select the modulation wheel (CC#1) and a target module, but not a target CC#. It would be nice if there was an option to just translate one CC into another without necessarily selecting a specific module, like the Input Transformer in Cubase: http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic. ... 6c32db1bea

And BTW: after I mapped my keyboards' Volume Slider (CC#7) to the Master Rack's Gain, this mapping does NOT show up in the MIDI Controller Map's list. It would be helpful if all user mappings that were done via RMB are visible there, instead of just the mappings that were done from that MIDI Controller Map's list itself.

OK, I go sit in a corner and shut up for a while before people find me too annoying

> DiGiT < · Post by **> DiGiT <** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:14 am

sl23 wrote:
mutools wrote:Digit is right if you want even more audio power and meanwhile a lightning fast UI, make sure you have a machine that can deliver that. I don't see anything wrong in MuLab's multi-core engine.
Sorry, we're not all rich like you guys, I just upgraded my laptop to a faster one, should I buy another just cos I'm not psychic enough to know multi-core was coming to M5! Or that one core is best kept free for the GUI! Or that HT is NOT supported!

I said nothing about lightning fast! What I did say was "unresponsive", not slow but literally NOT responding to a click made. Not a delayed click, but a click that has NO RESPONSE. You're twisting my words there.

bro, youre getting all annoyed for no reason here. this is what you get with a small developer--its a wonder jo has done what he has, MC is a big step and to support every hardware setup is impossible. its not his fault that your processor only has 2 cores when you thought it had 4, thats something you need to take up with the manufacturer. jo's design has nothing to do with that. meanwhile you could work with samples as they take much less power than a synth.

please dont hate us because we are rich! we worked hard to get like this! you can make music with what you have, you just need to be methodical. we were all there at some point. hyperthreading is a reality that is not well understood by consumers, apparently. a little research might have saved you from this predicament. there is still hope. it took jo a year or more to make MC a reality, perhaps in the same amount of time you could save up for an 8 core monster with all the trimmings... luckily technology moves fast and by tomorrow, todays computers will be obsolete and trade for pennies!

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