which Valhalla Reverb to buy?
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- KVRAF
- 24456 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Get all of them.
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- KVRAF
- 2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
That is not a bad advice, actually, I have Ubermod and VR, and now demoing VThree and Shimmer.
I'm a bit surprised that Shimmer didn't get any mention in this topic (I know, I know, not helping
) as it is not be underestimated, it's like playing an instrument in the biggest cathedral of ice, fire, fairies and demons. VThree can get you near, but not with as much aplomb as Shimmer.
VR I think of more for natural spaces, ambiance around instruments. VThree I would use if you want the reverb to really add something and Shimmer has the potential to make the surroundings more prominent than the object.
Take that with a truckload of salt though, they all can be tamed, expanded and abused to your liking.
Like EvilDragon said, get all three. You'll end up with them all anyway, you might save yourself all the doubts now
I'm a bit surprised that Shimmer didn't get any mention in this topic (I know, I know, not helping
) as it is not be underestimated, it's like playing an instrument in the biggest cathedral of ice, fire, fairies and demons. VThree can get you near, but not with as much aplomb as Shimmer. VR I think of more for natural spaces, ambiance around instruments. VThree I would use if you want the reverb to really add something and Shimmer has the potential to make the surroundings more prominent than the object.
Take that with a truckload of salt though, they all can be tamed, expanded and abused to your liking.
Like EvilDragon said, get all three. You'll end up with them all anyway, you might save yourself all the doubts now
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- KVRian
- 1148 posts since 29 Jun, 2012
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
My reverbs are like my children: I loves them all!
Having said that, I think ValhallaVintageVerb is a good start for any reverb user. I think that the user interface is the best organized of any of my plugins so far, and the parameters have been limited to those that are absolutely necessary to dialing in a reverb sound. It can get tiny ambience sounds, rooms, plates, halls, and enormous spaces. There is lush modulation on tap, but all of my plugins end up having this (I like that sound, OK?). The idea behind ValhallaVintageVerb is that it is simple, low CPU, "just works," and sounds great.
ValhallaRoom was designed to be, well, "roomier." This isn't to say that it sounds more like a physical room than some of the ValhallaVintageVerb settings. It definitely sounds *different* than VintageVerb. I figure that the sonic preferences are up to personal taste, so I wouldn't say what sounds better. I honestly don't have a preference when it comes to sound at this point - I no longer think about "what algorithm is the best" so much as "how can *this* algorithm sound the best." The ValhallaRoom algorithms were designed to avoid the artifacts heard in many algorithmic reverbs (especially around the "diffusion" control), while VintageVerb embraces these artifacts. VRoom is smoother to my ears, while VintageVerb sounds wider and deeper.
ValhallaShimmer is PSYCHEDELIC. No other word to describe it (except for "ambient," "spacey," and "you need to stop listening to so much Eno"). The sound of Shimmer is big, and just gets bigger and bigger. Which is great, unless you want small or medium. Shimmer isn't a plate reverb, an ambience reverb, or anything except BIG. ValhallaShimmer also has the option of turning on pitch shifting in the feedback loop, to get that "shimmer" sound that Eno and Lanois developed in the 1980s. The controls are a little different than the above two reverbs, and figuring out how Size, Feedback and Diffusion interact to get a specific reverb sound can be a little tricky, so I don't know if I'd recommend it as your main reverb unless you are only making big ambient trance washes.
ValhallaÜberMod isn't supposed to be a reverb. But it gets some nice reverb sounds. ÜberMod started off as ValhallaChorus, but quickly moved beyond that small little label to become a multitap delay/modulation/echo/gated/reverse reverb processor. The DIFF section in ÜberMod can act as a pretty nice reverb section on its own with larger Diff Size settings, and can add echo density to multitap delays in order to generate gated and inverse reverb sounds. ValhallaÜberMod has approximately 4 billion controls, so it isn't exactly the first choice for dialing in something quick. Its strengths like in creating sounds that are neither fish nor fowl. If you want to dial in a reverb with built in string ensemble modulation, where the decay gets dirtier and dirtier like a tape echo, and you are willing to roll up your sleeves and dial in the sound, ÜberMod is a great choice.
I hope this helps you out. Of course, the best way to find what works for you is to try the demos and see what works in your own tracks!
Sean Costello
Having said that, I think ValhallaVintageVerb is a good start for any reverb user. I think that the user interface is the best organized of any of my plugins so far, and the parameters have been limited to those that are absolutely necessary to dialing in a reverb sound. It can get tiny ambience sounds, rooms, plates, halls, and enormous spaces. There is lush modulation on tap, but all of my plugins end up having this (I like that sound, OK?). The idea behind ValhallaVintageVerb is that it is simple, low CPU, "just works," and sounds great.
ValhallaRoom was designed to be, well, "roomier." This isn't to say that it sounds more like a physical room than some of the ValhallaVintageVerb settings. It definitely sounds *different* than VintageVerb. I figure that the sonic preferences are up to personal taste, so I wouldn't say what sounds better. I honestly don't have a preference when it comes to sound at this point - I no longer think about "what algorithm is the best" so much as "how can *this* algorithm sound the best." The ValhallaRoom algorithms were designed to avoid the artifacts heard in many algorithmic reverbs (especially around the "diffusion" control), while VintageVerb embraces these artifacts. VRoom is smoother to my ears, while VintageVerb sounds wider and deeper.
ValhallaShimmer is PSYCHEDELIC. No other word to describe it (except for "ambient," "spacey," and "you need to stop listening to so much Eno"). The sound of Shimmer is big, and just gets bigger and bigger. Which is great, unless you want small or medium. Shimmer isn't a plate reverb, an ambience reverb, or anything except BIG. ValhallaShimmer also has the option of turning on pitch shifting in the feedback loop, to get that "shimmer" sound that Eno and Lanois developed in the 1980s. The controls are a little different than the above two reverbs, and figuring out how Size, Feedback and Diffusion interact to get a specific reverb sound can be a little tricky, so I don't know if I'd recommend it as your main reverb unless you are only making big ambient trance washes.
ValhallaÜberMod isn't supposed to be a reverb. But it gets some nice reverb sounds. ÜberMod started off as ValhallaChorus, but quickly moved beyond that small little label to become a multitap delay/modulation/echo/gated/reverse reverb processor. The DIFF section in ÜberMod can act as a pretty nice reverb section on its own with larger Diff Size settings, and can add echo density to multitap delays in order to generate gated and inverse reverb sounds. ValhallaÜberMod has approximately 4 billion controls, so it isn't exactly the first choice for dialing in something quick. Its strengths like in creating sounds that are neither fish nor fowl. If you want to dial in a reverb with built in string ensemble modulation, where the decay gets dirtier and dirtier like a tape echo, and you are willing to roll up your sleeves and dial in the sound, ÜberMod is a great choice.
I hope this helps you out. Of course, the best way to find what works for you is to try the demos and see what works in your own tracks!
Sean Costello
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- KVRAF
- 2138 posts since 8 Feb, 2007
Fortunately, there's a guy called Sampleconstruct who knows these 4K^9 controls inside out... and generates some wacky stuff with themvalhallasound wrote:ValhallaÜberMod has approximately 4 billion controls, so it isn't exactly the first choice for dialing in something quick
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
gmontano wrote:I just read that Valhalla was used in mixing drums for Led Zepplin's .Celebration Day. That's pretty impressive.
Not to take anyway away from Valhalla, but Celebration Day has got to be one of the worst Led Zep albums, IMHO the worst, where even a passable mix couldn't save poor performances,
what I mean is, Bonham's son ain't no daddy
, John Paul Jones is in fine form, Plant is fine, even bordering on great for his age but Page's playing is far from what it was, and boy, did he have bad days even back in the day...and guitar sounds way under his usual standard...brittle, uninspiring...There might have been a recording problem and it might have sounded ok in the arena they were playing in, but the record is just bad.
///ok, rant over///
Sean's plugins are great though
k
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9693 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
thanks to all VERY VERY MUCH, ok i got some funds now and want to purchase today or tomorrow!
please maybe someone can help me or even Sean, imma repay with purchasing
i got some request where i could produce some examples and hear myself how i like it, i definitely want to purchase 1 or more products but not at the same time i want to hear the differences.
for the following maybe you guys can tell me which plugin i should take and why and which settings to achieve:
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the fire crackling reverb right at the beginning
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
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the same track but the piano sound at 1:35 mins
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
3. (last one! 3 are more than enough, i hope not too much asked
)
the sounds in the background right at the beginning starting at 2-3 seconds.
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/v ... n-meltdown
im curious about replies.
please maybe someone can help me or even Sean, imma repay with purchasing
i got some request where i could produce some examples and hear myself how i like it, i definitely want to purchase 1 or more products but not at the same time i want to hear the differences.
for the following maybe you guys can tell me which plugin i should take and why and which settings to achieve:
1.
the fire crackling reverb right at the beginning
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
2.
the same track but the piano sound at 1:35 mins
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
3. (last one! 3 are more than enough, i hope not too much asked
)the sounds in the background right at the beginning starting at 2-3 seconds.
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/v ... n-meltdown
im curious about replies
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- KVRAF
- 2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
VintageVerb I'd say.
Though I still think you will find a use for Shimmer. But, if you'll only buy one now, VintageVerb would cover most (if not all) of your needs. Plus, as Sean mentioned, it has the easiest layout, so you're more likely to shape the reverb to your tastes. Really, you can't go wrong with that one IMO.
Though I still think you will find a use for Shimmer. But, if you'll only buy one now, VintageVerb would cover most (if not all) of your needs. Plus, as Sean mentioned, it has the easiest layout, so you're more likely to shape the reverb to your tastes. Really, you can't go wrong with that one IMO.
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- KVRAF
- 2265 posts since 25 Jun, 2008 from Montreal, Canada
Thanks Sean for you detail description. Now that I have a better understanding I think ValhallaVintageVerb and ValhallaÜberMod are next in line on my "to get" list.
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
True, but I find myself using it *like* a plate reverb. Unlike VR, it doesn't have 'room-like' early reflections, and is really good for two-dimensional 'spaceless' reverbs. Contrast with VR, which always sounds very three-dimentional. Shimmer is great for adding lushness (especially to vocals) without making everything sound like it's in a cave. I find it pairs well in a mix with VR.valhallasound wrote:Shimmer isn't a plate reverb
-Kim.
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- KVRAF
- 3795 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
Great..Can you fix up the other GUIs now ?valhallasound wrote: I think ValhallaVintageVerb is a good start for any reverb user. I think that the user interface is the best organized of any of my plugins so far.
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
digitalboytn wrote:Great..Can you fix up the other GUIs now ?valhallasound wrote: I think ValhallaVintageVerb is a good start for any reverb user. I think that the user interface is the best organized of any of my plugins so far.
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- KVRist
- 461 posts since 31 Dec, 2010 from Perth
You wouldn't want her to fart on your last pound of flourvalhallasound wrote:
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9693 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
no one? i got the funds readyCaine123 wrote:thanks to all VERY VERY MUCH, ok i got some funds now and want to purchase today or tomorrow!
please maybe someone can help me or even Sean, imma repay with purchasing
i got some request where i could produce some examples and hear myself how i like it, i definitely want to purchase 1 or more products but not at the same time i want to hear the differences.
for the following maybe you guys can tell me which plugin i should take and why and which settings to achieve:
1.
the fire crackling reverb right at the beginning
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
2.
the same track but the piano sound at 1:35 mins
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/reselected
3. (last one! 3 are more than enough, i hope not too much asked
the sounds in the background right at the beginning starting at 2-3 seconds.
http://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/track/v ... n-meltdown
im curious about replies
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- KVRAF
- 2747 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
BDeep wrote:VintageVerb I'd say.
Though I still think you will find a use for Shimmer. But, if you'll only buy one now, VintageVerb would cover most (if not all) of your needs. Plus, as Sean mentioned, it has the easiest layout, so you're more likely to shape the reverb to your tastes. Really, you can't go wrong with that one IMO.