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Which synth's components would you like to see u-he add to DIVA next?

Yamaha CS-80
124
25%
Oberheim OB-X
133
27%
Prophet 5 V2
73
15%
ARP 2500
38
8%
Synthacon Filters
4
1%
Roland TB-303 Filters
67
14%
Synthi
22
5%
Polyvoks
27
6%
 
Total votes: 488

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chilly7 wrote: ...i think it is pretty good DAW and one of the best ones, but it is more for DJs and performance oriented DAW but i need something with supper deep editing possibilities and the best possible signal flawn and summing algorithms and Samplitude looks like exectly what i need
OH boy...before this thread devolves into a DAW vs. DAW then to Mac vs. PC [we already covered spelling and grammar :-o ], I had a few questions/suggestions regarding the actual topic at hand. In trying to think about additions or components to Diva in a way that captures the spirit of vintage synths and not necessarily clones, would any of this make sense:

1. To add an LP3 to the Multimode VCF to get closer for the 303 / SH-101 crowd? I don't know if it was, but the VCF Multimode seems to be already modeled from a Roland filter, and has the right controls already other than an 18dB mode. Obviously, there's more to 303s than that, but a 3-pole mode may help get it close enough.

2. A new filter module called "VCF|Curtis" modeled on the CEM3320 VCF with 12/24dB modes for OBXa/Xpander, Prophet [rev3], and Synthex type sounds. Again, to get close enough, and add a different color to the palette for all those "tame" sounds that aren't quite covered, yet.

3. ARP 2500 - Personally, I've actually always been more partial to ARPs than Moogs, though I love them, too. I'm curious what modules [HW, I mean] were in the plans to model. There was a dual VCO that has a stepped waveform selector, but the single VCO module that had 5 simultaneous waveforms with different volume controls for each. Of course, this one, with a Dual version in software would be dreamy, and of course to be able to use with Duophonic mode. Would be sinful to have an ARP without Duo mode, even though that was after the 2500's time :) I don't think you go wrong with any of the ARP filters...

Again, I realize these old beasts were more than the sum of their parts. Even the machines that used the same components sounded very different from each other, and just having a filter doesn't make it a clone of that machine. No matter what actual models get decided on, my vote simply goes for ultra high quality modeling of the components, with their quirks. I feel so far, a good job has been done with this in Diva. So many other plugins and VA hardware for that matter come up short on the sound, and try to mask these shortcomings loading it up with effects, insane amounts of mod matrices, phrase arpeggiators, vocoders, etc. I firmly stand that Diva should be the opposite of this.

I think making "unique" and "interesting" sounds is up to us, not the instrument creators. Sometimes, I just need a patch that took me less than 5 minutes to make to sit nice in my mix. If it's missing a little something, I can layer it with another sound that has what's missing. If I need some speaker-ripping aggressiveness, there's a bunch of effects outside of a soft synth that will let me do that, too. In both cases, I find I can get there much faster if the source sound is as good as it can be. Just my 2 cents...

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Indeed... let's all remember that even stunning, powerful, expensive synths can sound AWFUL in the wrong hands.


I like the idea of embracing new ideas in sound synthesis, thus some of this interest in recreating old synths kinda leaves me cold. They are INDEED more than just a filter... the hardware played a role as well as the advertising mystique, and they weren't all that great when they were new, in some cases.

Vapor ware, Hype, changing methods, changing chips, failed designs and failed re-designs... Computer Musicians got it right when they broke free from hardware.

The great thing about these soft synths is that they FIT IN OUR LIVES better.

Sheesh, I'd have a modular the size of my VAN if I could... but these soft synths scratch a very hungry itch for me... and graphic feedback? (like Oscilloscope in ACE and Bazzille, or the Spectrum in Logic) AMAZING!

Hell the DAWs are just a way to get at these beauties HAHA.
Retired, Bored and ready to WRECK the JOINT... gonna drop some OLD-STEP, ya'll!!

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Well the ARP 2500 that was talked about was actually single modules out of Hans Zimmer's dungeon - anything that any of us could put in their hand luggage on the way back.

We have most of the filters in either Eurorack modules or other replica, but only the OB-X and CS-80 are actually here, with offers to lend us TB-303s, a Synthex and a Prophet 5 Rev2.

The main characteristic of the Prophet 5 rev 2 - apart from the excellent filter - is the sluggishness of the envelopes. No envelope chip matches the times of another. On long decays this could make a variance of 5-10 seconds. Shorts attacks are a random event. Each voice's enevlopes sound painfully different. That is after cannibalising 3 P5s to build one that matches well.

It might be interesting though ;-)

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Urs wrote:Well the ARP 2500 that was talked about was actually single modules out of Hans Zimmer's dungeon - anything that any of us could put in their hand luggage on the way back.

We have most of the filters in either Eurorack modules or other replica, but only the OB-X and CS-80 are actually here, with offers to lend us TB-303s, a Synthex and a Prophet 5 Rev2.

The main characteristic of the Prophet 5 rev 2 - apart from the excellent filter - is the sluggishness of the envelopes. No envelope chip matches the times of another. On long decays this could make a variance of 5-10 seconds. Shorts attacks are a random event. Each voice's enevlopes sound painfully different. That is after cannibalising 3 P5s to build one that matches well.

It might be interesting though ;-)
What about the Matrix-12? I remember you told you got one that needed to be serviced, and it is working now. Or was it borrowed from someone else?
Neither the OB-X nor the CS-80 got the CEM 3320 (although the OB-X filter is a great one). The first Obie to get that chip was the OB-Xa.
Here's another link that talks about it, again with circuit diagrams (although it doesn't reference the Xpander/Matrix-12): http://www.polynominal.com/site/studio/ ... -3320.html
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Fernando (FMR)

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Is MAXI KORG 800dv still in the list for modeling?

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This may be a good time to ask again for the Alpha Juno's multi-stage envelope :)

(I would happily donate my Juno 1 towards that purpose :-))

And in terms of completely new models, Yup, I think the Prophet's filters offer a different enough flavour, and the cross-mod section on the osc's is quite interesting, if I recall correctly.

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Urs wrote:The main characteristic of the Prophet 5 rev 2 - apart from the excellent filter - is the sluggishness of the envelopes. No envelope chip matches the times of another. On long decays this could make a variance of 5-10 seconds. Shorts attacks are a random event. Each voice's enevlopes sound painfully different. That is after cannibalising 3 P5s to build one that matches well.

It might be interesting though ;-)
That brings to mind the brilliant DIY circuit tweaking page introduced in TSE 1.x
http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/foru ... p?f=8&t=78
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Look guys, it's all good ideas but nothing will happen anytime soon...

800dv doesn't fit Diva conceptually.
fmr wrote:Neither the OB-X nor the CS-80 got the CEM 3320 (although the OB-X filter is a great one). The first Obie to get that chip was the OB-Xa.
Yeah, we have a Matrix 12 and a Pro One.

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Urs wrote:Look guys, it's all good ideas but nothing will happen anytime soon...

Listen dude, YOU were the one that opened Pandora's Box :hihi:

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Urs wrote:Look guys, it's all good ideas but nothing will happen anytime soon...
Ah, just let us dream a bit ;-)

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Urs wrote:Look guys, it's all good ideas but nothing will happen anytime soon...

800dv doesn't fit Diva conceptually.
fmr wrote:Neither the OB-X nor the CS-80 got the CEM 3320 (although the OB-X filter is a great one). The first Obie to get that chip was the OB-Xa.
Yeah, we have a Matrix 12 and a Pro One.
Doesn't matter! As long as you don't forget :wink:
Fernando (FMR)

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Nice to hear the Prophet being discussed!

Out of Highschool, I drove delivery and did minor simple jobs for Sequential Circuits in '82... I remember when there was nothing at the airport, they put me to work matching resisters (which I was dreadful at).

They were still trying to get the dual keyboard Prophet 10 to NAMM... looked fine to me, the hippy engineer (sandals, long hair, honest) smiled under his long beard and gently lifted one corner of the enormous chassis... it flexed! I'm not surprised the Prophet's misbehaving, they had them lined up from the Eagles, Weather Report, Journey... all needing repair and piling up.

Did you know early Prophet circuit boards had Dragons and other drawings in the design? California DUDE! :)

Later I had my own Pro One (with seq) and on rainy days I miss my old Pro one sometimes... it would be fun to see the Prophet layout approximated in Luxurious Diva graphics, but I see it's third down so my hopes are subdued.

(Diva will be nabbed the next $180 I can spare... regardless... I need it, bad **twitch** :help: )
Retired, Bored and ready to WRECK the JOINT... gonna drop some OLD-STEP, ya'll!!

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TomTwohy wrote:Nice to hear the Prophet being discussed!

Out of Highschool, I drove delivery and did minor simple jobs for Sequential Circuits in '82... I remember when there was nothing at the airport, they put me to work matching resisters (which I was dreadful at).

They were still trying to get the dual keyboard Prophet 10 to NAMM... looked fine to me, the hippy engineer (sandals, long hair, honest) smiled under his long beard and gently lifted one corner of the enormous chassis... it flexed! I'm not surprised the Prophet's misbehaving, they had them lined up from the Eagles, Weather Report, Journey... all needing repair and piling up.

Did you know early Prophet circuit boards had Dragons and other drawings in the design? California DUDE! :)

Later I had my own Pro One (with seq) and on rainy days I miss my old Pro one sometimes... it would be fun to see the Prophet layout approximated in Luxurious Diva graphics, but I see it's third down so my hopes are subdued.

(Diva will be nabbed the next $180 I can spare... regardless... I need it, bad **twitch** :help: )
Well... Prophet-10 and the Pro One both have the above mentioned CEM 3320, which is the same as Prophet-5 rev 3, but not Prophet-5 rev 2, which is the one being requested and mentioned.
Fernando (FMR)

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Prophet ftw :D

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markcohn wrote:
Again, I realize these old beasts were more than the sum of their parts. Even the machines that used the same components sounded very different from each other, and just having a filter doesn't make it a clone of that machine. No matter what actual models get decided on, my vote simply goes for ultra high quality modeling of the components, with their quirks. I feel so far, a good job has been done with this in Diva. So many other plugins and VA hardware for that matter come up short on the sound, and try to mask these shortcomings loading it up with effects, insane amounts of mod matrices, phrase arpeggiators, vocoders, etc. I firmly stand that Diva should be the opposite of this.

I think making "unique" and "interesting" sounds is up to us, not the instrument creators. Sometimes, I just need a patch that took me less than 5 minutes to make to sit nice in my mix. If it's missing a little something, I can layer it with another sound that has what's missing. If I need some speaker-ripping aggressiveness, there's a bunch of effects outside of a soft synth that will let me do that, too. In both cases, I find I can get there much faster if the source sound is as good as it can be. Just my 2 cents...
+1
Year, i totally agree with u!!!

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