I don't think there are any demands yet. Its up to you whether you want to puchase now or not. Purchasing now just helps with the developmentprior to release.Tmlt wrote:This IS the most wonderful little toy. Runs like clockwork in Cubase win7x64 with my M-audio FW410, and I'm pretty sure I'll end up buying it!
There is one thing though: How you demand money for at beta-version? Seems quite unsympathetic to me.
Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 10 Jan, 2013 from Australia
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- KVRist
- 43 posts since 1 Aug, 2005 from On the Rhein
JJunkie wrote:I don't think there are any demands yet. Its up to you whether you want to puchase now or not. Purchasing now just helps with the developmentprior to release.Tmlt wrote:This IS the most wonderful little toy. Runs like clockwork in Cubase win7x64 with my M-audio FW410, and I'm pretty sure I'll end up buying it!
There is one thing though: How you demand money for at beta-version? Seems quite unsympathetic to me.
And it is a lot cheaper than if you wait for the final release.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
I've been noodling about with this "wonderful little toy" through a couple of betas now. It still crashes one of my DAWs -- REAPER -- on boot-up if the device is already loaded as an active effect and same during a full scan of VSTPlugins folder. This is not a show stopper, as I've learned not to start with MIDI Guitar loaded up. I'm much more annoyed by the stupidity of certain other DAWs that can't cope with plugins of this sort; they can't handle devices that take Audio In and output MIDI. There is really no excuse for this inability, but there it is. I certainly hope that we can get beyond these endless betas sometime in our current decade. I realise this effect is head and shoulders above so many other types in the difficult tasks required of it, but this is starting to get rather old. It's enough to deal with the current shortfalls of these betas without being asked to pay $100 for a beta just to keep the note from sticking and requiring a reset every couple of minutes. I suspect that since I signed up for news that I'll hear someday that this thing is actually ready for prime time? I'm not unsympathetic here, but this plugin is my daily reminder that I should spend more time improving my keyboard playing. No interest in reviewing your last 20+ pages here, but can you give any kind of ballpark estimate when all this beta fiddling will be done?
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- KVRian
- 538 posts since 18 Feb, 2005
Isn't that the whole idea behind "beta"? If it's such an annoyance to ya, stop "noodling" with the betas and wait till it's released to decide if you want it or not. Jeez!The Telenator wrote:I've been noodling about with this "wonderful little toy" through a couple of betas now. It still crashes one of my DAWs -- REAPER -- on boot-up if the device is already loaded as an active effect and same during a full scan of VSTPlugins folder. This is not a show stopper, as I've learned not to start with MIDI Guitar loaded up. I'm much more annoyed by the stupidity of certain other DAWs that can't cope with plugins of this sort; they can't handle devices that take Audio In and output MIDI. There is really no excuse for this inability, but there it is. I certainly hope that we can get beyond these endless betas sometime in our current decade. I realise this effect is head and shoulders above so many other types in the difficult tasks required of it, but this is starting to get rather old. It's enough to deal with the current shortfalls of these betas without being asked to pay $100 for a beta just to keep the note from sticking and requiring a reset every couple of minutes. I suspect that since I signed up for news that I'll hear someday that this thing is actually ready for prime time? I'm not unsympathetic here, but this plugin is my daily reminder that I should spend more time improving my keyboard playing. No interest in reviewing your last 20+ pages here, but can you give any kind of ballpark estimate when all this beta fiddling will be done?
Musical Style: Psychotic Northwoods Basement Trash
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 1 Jul, 2010
Somewhere on those pages it says 5 years in development. Now it is version 0.6. You may count when it comes to version 1.0 Alpha assuming the same speed. Though it have sped up drastically lately. I was going to make a graph of messages in this thread. Seems after a burst in December it slowed down pretty much.The Telenator wrote: No interest in reviewing your last 20+ pages here, but can you give any kind of ballpark estimate when all this beta fiddling will be done?
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- KVRian
- 1166 posts since 19 Apr, 2004
The man (ole) has brought out something at v0.1 that I and many never thought could be accomplished. Since then it has got much better in its response at v0.6.1, give the guy some time and credit for what he is bringing to guitar players world wide.The Telenator wrote: No interest in reviewing your last 20+ pages here, but can you give any kind of ballpark estimate when all this beta fiddling will be done?
My biggest hope is that people will not discourage further development. And that MIDIGuitar does not just disappear to money like BeOS?
Best thing since sliced bread MIDIGuiar is
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
FrettedSynth wrote:The man (ole) has brought out something at v0.1 that I and many never thought could be accomplished. Since then it has got much better in its response at v0.6.1, give the guy some time and credit for what he is bringing to guitar players world wide.The Telenator wrote: No interest in reviewing your last 20+ pages here, but can you give any kind of ballpark estimate when all this beta fiddling will be done?
My biggest hope is that people will not discourage further development. And that MIDIGuitar does not just disappear to money like BeOS?
Best thing since sliced bread MIDIGuiar is
I agree. been waiting for ages for something like this!!
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- KVRist
- 43 posts since 1 Aug, 2005 from On the Rhein
Ole has done what a lot have tried and failed. Even in its present state it is more usable than a lot of stuff. I only hope Ole doesn't try to please too many too soon. I know the waiting is agonising, but patience is a virtue
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- KVRian
- 1166 posts since 19 Apr, 2004
Amensheldrakes wrote:Ole has done what a lot have tried and failed. Even in its present state it is more usable than a lot of stuff. I only hope Ole doesn't try to please too many too soon. I know the waiting is agonising, but patience is a virtue
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- KVRist
- 120 posts since 12 Mar, 2011
MIDI GUITAR is the best guitar to midi software developed hitherto. This achievement is HUGE considering the nature of midi guitar systems that relies on hexaphonic pickups. I don't know how Ole did it but he accomplished a polyphonic tool without using hex pickups or any other hardware artifact. Just don't complain and wait for final results. Compatibility with each and every DAW in the market is ever harder and a tough work.
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
exactlyariajazz wrote:MIDI GUITAR is the best guitar to midi software developed hitherto. This achievement is HUGE considering the nature of midi guitar systems that relies on hexaphonic pickups. I don't know how Ole did it but he accomplished a polyphonic tool without using hex pickups or any other hardware artifact. Just don't complain and wait for final results. Compatibility with each and every DAW in the market is ever harder and a tough work.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
So . . . accordingly then, we are talking about something like 2017? I understand that a plugin like this one is not the same as coding for a phase shifter, but then again I wouldn't call this rocket science exactly, either. I'm sure people said many of the same things when FrettedSynth was building a few of his.
Granted, I have spent a few moments scratching my head, trying to figure out an algorithm that could be used to handle the polyphany vs harmonic overtones problem in this VST, as in which are just the pronounced harmonics of a string as opposed to which are intended 'real' notes/ fundamentals. It was once said that only a hex pickup would solve this problem on a 6-string guitar.
Meanwhile, jdt, I think I'll be the one to decide whether I continue to 'noodle' around with this beta. That's solely my business, my call to make. I think what underlies my annoyance you are seeing in my post above is the lack of information forthcoming in the mid-term here. No realistic clue of any completion date. No real idea of what will be charged for the completed product; considering that I've never seen any dev charge for a beta, I believe that concern is a valid one. Sure, I read the bit about keeping development funded, I've just never seen it done this way. Most seek investors, if they can't get bank financing after submitting their business plan. Is there an actual business plan? This seems prudent to ask as well. I think most people would, for example, shy away from buying a DAW or investing any mental real estate in familiarising with it if they thought there was any chance the dev/ proprietor might be flying by the seat of his pants. I've seen it before -- the Next Big Thing today, abandonware tomorrow. And everyone spent money on a now unsupported piece of software that is going nowhere fast.
If anything, questions such as these, even a potential customer's doubts, should be expected, and I don't think FrettedSynth or anyone else should be concerned that this will discourage further development. If this JamOrigin is going to be so easily put off if I ask questions, then you'd all be wise to head for the door right now, stop the defensiveness that is bordering on fanboi before the product is even out there, and spend your time more wisely. For most hard-working people I've known it might better cause them to redouble their efforts. Or have we now given up on the American Way here also? I mention, like some others have, that I'm getting impatient, and some of you immediately start to weird out. I suggest developing some critical thinking while you are awaiting your savior here
Obviously, what I'm saying now and was hinting some at before is that I have tested the plugin and taken all of your various points and excuse-makings into consideration, and some are sound and, to me, quite good and valid. On the other hand, I'll state very bluntly that a few of them simply don't wash. Now, that Roland synth guitar so many years ago and for many after was also touted as the best thing since sliced bread too, yet my own time with it proved different. It never really left the reality of being glitchy and was never able to stand head and shoulders with the big boys, the keyboard synths. To me. it always verged on being junk, and you never did see any other professionals do much with it either. In general, the hex pickup remains a fad or token of another era. The Synth Axe, at that whopping $75k USD or whatever forbidding price didn't fare much better.
For now, I think it would go far if someone would kindly sum up and explain briefly just what the problem is, or at least the remaining holdup. Yes, we know this audio-to-MIDI business seems to be a tough nut to crack. Fine, But then everyone goes back to drooling over the unfinished, mostly functional plugin and we don't hear another word. Be glad no one has tried a stock issue for this enterprise! With no schedule to go on, and little or no explanation of anything put forward, you wouldn't sell a single issue of stock. Well, maybe mum would be nice enough to buy one, right?
I look at things like this like I think most adults do. My time is precious to me and quite limited. We are ALL busy people, are we not? So, this boils down to the simple function of time, perhaps some pre-planning and the mental real estate invested over the likelihood of success and eventual real usefulness.
Granted, I have spent a few moments scratching my head, trying to figure out an algorithm that could be used to handle the polyphany vs harmonic overtones problem in this VST, as in which are just the pronounced harmonics of a string as opposed to which are intended 'real' notes/ fundamentals. It was once said that only a hex pickup would solve this problem on a 6-string guitar.
Meanwhile, jdt, I think I'll be the one to decide whether I continue to 'noodle' around with this beta. That's solely my business, my call to make. I think what underlies my annoyance you are seeing in my post above is the lack of information forthcoming in the mid-term here. No realistic clue of any completion date. No real idea of what will be charged for the completed product; considering that I've never seen any dev charge for a beta, I believe that concern is a valid one. Sure, I read the bit about keeping development funded, I've just never seen it done this way. Most seek investors, if they can't get bank financing after submitting their business plan. Is there an actual business plan? This seems prudent to ask as well. I think most people would, for example, shy away from buying a DAW or investing any mental real estate in familiarising with it if they thought there was any chance the dev/ proprietor might be flying by the seat of his pants. I've seen it before -- the Next Big Thing today, abandonware tomorrow. And everyone spent money on a now unsupported piece of software that is going nowhere fast.
If anything, questions such as these, even a potential customer's doubts, should be expected, and I don't think FrettedSynth or anyone else should be concerned that this will discourage further development. If this JamOrigin is going to be so easily put off if I ask questions, then you'd all be wise to head for the door right now, stop the defensiveness that is bordering on fanboi before the product is even out there, and spend your time more wisely. For most hard-working people I've known it might better cause them to redouble their efforts. Or have we now given up on the American Way here also? I mention, like some others have, that I'm getting impatient, and some of you immediately start to weird out. I suggest developing some critical thinking while you are awaiting your savior here
Obviously, what I'm saying now and was hinting some at before is that I have tested the plugin and taken all of your various points and excuse-makings into consideration, and some are sound and, to me, quite good and valid. On the other hand, I'll state very bluntly that a few of them simply don't wash. Now, that Roland synth guitar so many years ago and for many after was also touted as the best thing since sliced bread too, yet my own time with it proved different. It never really left the reality of being glitchy and was never able to stand head and shoulders with the big boys, the keyboard synths. To me. it always verged on being junk, and you never did see any other professionals do much with it either. In general, the hex pickup remains a fad or token of another era. The Synth Axe, at that whopping $75k USD or whatever forbidding price didn't fare much better.
For now, I think it would go far if someone would kindly sum up and explain briefly just what the problem is, or at least the remaining holdup. Yes, we know this audio-to-MIDI business seems to be a tough nut to crack. Fine, But then everyone goes back to drooling over the unfinished, mostly functional plugin and we don't hear another word. Be glad no one has tried a stock issue for this enterprise! With no schedule to go on, and little or no explanation of anything put forward, you wouldn't sell a single issue of stock. Well, maybe mum would be nice enough to buy one, right?
I look at things like this like I think most adults do. My time is precious to me and quite limited. We are ALL busy people, are we not? So, this boils down to the simple function of time, perhaps some pre-planning and the mental real estate invested over the likelihood of success and eventual real usefulness.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 155 posts since 10 Jul, 2012
Sorry guys, I've been away from this forum the last week. As someone else mentioned this happens once in a while and means we are busy working on MIDI Guitar.
Telenator,
A few months ago we decided to invite a few hundred volunteering BETA testers, many at KVR, to get feedback, and to get to know potential customers needs.
After that we have offered the BETA to anyone who find it useful or improving workflow in its current state, or simply want to support our developments.
For the rest who dont have time for this, we will send the newsletter when its officially announced and ready to evaluate.
We understand that there are two opposite demands: early adopters wanting a final version asap and those that you would call "noodlers" who are interested in seeing how far we can push the limits and add new features.
Our current plan is to focus on bug-fixing and getting out of the BETA phase after the next 0.7 release (i.e. in 0.8, which will be called 1.0). We do not currently have a release date for this first "final" version, but we are working hard making it happen as soon as possible. Ballpark estimate: may 2013.
However, we dont want to signal that 1.0 is also the end after which there will be no more updates. Contrary we see many opportunities for future updates after version 1.0 and along it we will hopefully be able to reveal a roadmap of what to come.
BangZero,
Most non-standard tunings should already work, but i assume you are asking about drop tunings which doesnt. I think you will see experimental support for drop tunings quite soon.
Telenator,
A few months ago we decided to invite a few hundred volunteering BETA testers, many at KVR, to get feedback, and to get to know potential customers needs.
After that we have offered the BETA to anyone who find it useful or improving workflow in its current state, or simply want to support our developments.
For the rest who dont have time for this, we will send the newsletter when its officially announced and ready to evaluate.
We understand that there are two opposite demands: early adopters wanting a final version asap and those that you would call "noodlers" who are interested in seeing how far we can push the limits and add new features.
Our current plan is to focus on bug-fixing and getting out of the BETA phase after the next 0.7 release (i.e. in 0.8, which will be called 1.0). We do not currently have a release date for this first "final" version, but we are working hard making it happen as soon as possible. Ballpark estimate: may 2013.
However, we dont want to signal that 1.0 is also the end after which there will be no more updates. Contrary we see many opportunities for future updates after version 1.0 and along it we will hopefully be able to reveal a roadmap of what to come.
BangZero,
Most non-standard tunings should already work, but i assume you are asking about drop tunings which doesnt. I think you will see experimental support for drop tunings quite soon.
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- Banned
- 147 posts since 4 Feb, 2012 from Carolina Beach
Wow. Well, thanks for that, JamOrigin. That was exactly and all I and a few others have been asking for from the start. You see, everywhere I have posted a mention, or shared info, or shown or played the demo, it has set the forum or meeting basically on fire, but it left too many questions unanswered and generated others.
I agree Re: a v1.0. People tend not to treat that number as final in any sense anymore, probably because of the rash of constant updates hitting KVR and places around the net almost daily now.
Say, some other time here perhaps when you are more at liberty to say more, could you sum up and say just a few words about what exactly is so dodgy about this type of effort? I mean, I think we all know the hassles of tracking in various octaves and probably pitch change too, but what is this underlying issue that almost seems to strike fear in the average observer and perhaps devs some as well. I suspect you know what I'm getting at. Cheers!
I agree Re: a v1.0. People tend not to treat that number as final in any sense anymore, probably because of the rash of constant updates hitting KVR and places around the net almost daily now.
Say, some other time here perhaps when you are more at liberty to say more, could you sum up and say just a few words about what exactly is so dodgy about this type of effort? I mean, I think we all know the hassles of tracking in various octaves and probably pitch change too, but what is this underlying issue that almost seems to strike fear in the average observer and perhaps devs some as well. I suspect you know what I'm getting at. Cheers!