A new competitor to Uhe Diva has arived!!!

[dhalfen]

SERIOUSLY -- yet another Minimoogerfoogerupper??!

Monark: King of the misspelled Minimoog clones! (Eat your vitamin K, kids, because it's kool-kool-KOOL.)

Reading the ad copy is just depressing -- I think it has every cliche in the book. (But, appropriately, no new[er] ones!!! )

Thanks goodness for Urs and Waldorf and Wolfgang Palm and plenty of other, lesser-known folks who strive to do more than just tread water.

[damoog]

How is a Minimoog knock-off that requires Reaktor or Reaktor Player to run in any way competition for DIVA?

+1

[david.beholder]

As far as I hear monark filter is not quite 0dbf.

[pdxindy]

As far as I hear monark filter is not quite 0dbf.

Actually, it is -1dbf... it starts even before you trigger a note!

[aboukirev]

I'm guessing it's a sort of general, non-specific, all around type of accuracy.

So what you are saying is it is a kind of inaccurate accuracy?

fuzzy accuracy?

65-bit internal processing. The extra bit is random and helps getting that "true analog" feel

[Urs]

Hrmpf.

[david.beholder]

Actually, it is -1dbf... it starts even before you trigger a note!

Sure, that what I was suspecting - it's TIIR - true infinite impulse response, so it has been started to filter signal couple of years ago

[Frantz]

Some quotes from their website:

"Huge, punchy, fat sound and light on your CPU. We had no idea you could still get anything this good." Modeselektor

MONARK was created using the low-level modular DSP framework of REAKTOR CORE and takes advantage of Zero-Delay Feedback technology as formulated by its creator, Native Instruments' Vadim Zavalishin.

I'm skeptical. If they are reusing the Reaktor DSP framework, then how much Minimoog modeling did they do? Did they just model the filter?

[bailees7irish]

You fanboys never cease to amuse me.

[djanthonyw]

Actually, as s.o. who used Reaktor Core for prototyping basic dsp a lot I can assure you that Reaktor, like any synth, does indeed have "a certain sound", unless, of course, you are using your own structures built from buttom up. But that's most likely not what you do.
And even then you would have "a certain sound", a different one than the other 4000 Reaktor creations though.

The audio structures have a certain sound caused by design decisions or actual flaws in some cases.
And that's unavoidable, cause even if your design maxime is "ideal theoretic model transparent", like geometric ideal, no aliasing, even frequency response ect, you would create "a certain sound" even if that sound was indistinguishable from another synth that used the same design maxime (but which most likely doesnt exist btw)
And Reaktors dsp is far from that maxime, and quite mixed in quality, which is no surprise given it's history which is older than VST.
And that's not different with any other synth, analog or digital.

The argument that you could create any dsp structure (in fact not any, but many) is invalid when you dont do that, it's like saying Korg or Roland don't have "a certain sound" cause they use hardware that could run any code.

But to claim the synth here in question does have "a certain Reaktor sound" is indeed silly since it most likely is built completely from scratch.
But maybe it still does have "a certain sound" ? cause the same people and decision makers were involved?

For sure the first demo track does have "a certain NI sound": like drums samples from Battery/Komplete or whatever, I dont know this stuff.
So you could play a real Moog with that and it would still sound "like NI".

I am glad I am not the designer of this synth cause I would find that pretty aggravating, a total disregard of what has been accomplished, whatever that is.
It's an absurd decision. It also tells a lot of what they think about their customers and the people who should by that synth.
It basically says: "You dont have to listen in detail, we didn't either, this is all just about marketing, please open your wallet as usual"

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... ost8832899

[billcarroll]

This is even more hilarious considering the rejection letter Urs has from Native Instruments, next to the letter some time later asking to hire him.

Do u have that letter to take a look at?

sorry for of topic

No, only Urs does of course

He mentioned them recently here on KVR.

[chilly7]

Hrmpf.

What does it mean?
I could not find the description in the interned

[chilly7]

Some quotes from their website:

"Huge, punchy, fat sound and light on your CPU. We had no idea you could still get anything this good." Modeselektor

MONARK was created using the low-level modular DSP framework of REAKTOR CORE and takes advantage of Zero-Delay Feedback technology as formulated by its creator, Native Instruments' Vadim Zavalishin.

I'm skeptical. If they are reusing the Reaktor DSP framework, then how much Minimoog modeling did they do? Did they just model the filter?

I think they moddeled awrything(filters, osciletors and etc)
but instid of given the all synth they created it by Reaktor core sells which u can mix and much, so technicaly i think u can use them i any Reaktor projekts u wany , so in sample words u can add or rewire anything in Monark as well utilise all it's parts in other Reaktor projekts

P.s.
Uhe do it the same!!!

[chilly7]

This is even more hilarious considering the rejection letter Urs has from Native Instruments, next to the letter some time later asking to hire him.

Do u have that letter to take a look at?

sorry for of topic

No, only Urs does of course

He mentioned them recently here on KVR.

[KBSoundSmith]

Well, this is a weird forum for this topic. "Hey Urs, there is conceivably a direct competitor to your recent product, let me post about it in your official company forum."

In any case, I can't wait to try Monark. I have nothing but respect for people who push the envelope, and while a minimoog model is nothing new, the technical aspects of the synth are worth attention. While I imagine the core level of Monark will be locked, I hope that the filter section/etc will otherwise be available for use in Reaktor.

And nothing will replace my copy of Diva, by the way--she gives me too much joy for anything to do that.