New DIVA components

[electro]

Yep, analog mono is staying .. DIVA/Zebra and others are filling the poly gap for now.

There was a thread somewhere for Urs to model a ProOne which sounded like a good idea to me.

[Ch00rD]

For me, genres such as thrash metal were essential in surviving the onslaught of Bad Pop®

I went backwards instead of forwards. I couldn't stand the sound of the thrash metal guitars that sounded like it was all recorded with the mic stuffed in a big metal trash can.

So, Fusion Jazz + listening my way through the jazz roots of the Fusion bands, + Psychadelic Rock (Gong etc..) got me through the 80s... barely.

I didn't follow any straight paths in the development of my musical preferences either. Fusion jazz was a welcome escape for me during that time as well. Still one of my most played records ever: Return To Forever - Where Have I Known You Before. I love absolutely *everything* on that particular album. In fact, most metal heads I knew played guitar (or well, at least attempted to do so), and were also listening to guitar virtuosos in any style or genre. Since fusion uniquely lends itself to displays of virtuoso musicianship, it was a very popular genre between many 'metal guitarists' I knew. A typical exchange of inspiring music would go like "Whoah! have you heard the new album of this guitar prodigy Jason Becker? It's insane! Let me copy you a tape... and I'll also put an Al Di Meola album on the flip side, just to fill it up."

As to thrash metal, at some point I realised that the drum sounds - even in the heaviest, darkest, most aggressive of the various metal subgenres - categorically sucked. With all that guitar violence going on, how could the drums be left untreated? Especially the typical rapid double bass drum rolls... they just started to sound incredibly *weak* to my ears somewhere around the end of the 80s. Acid house and hardcore gabber were the only practical escape routes left... TR-808/909 + massive overdrive FTW.

PS: sorry for the long OT, gents.

On-topic: I can get pretty great thrash metal guitar tones out of Diva.

[ZenPunkHippy]

even in the heaviest, darkest, most aggressive of the various metal subgenres - categorically sucked. With all that guitar violence going on, how could the drums be left untreated?

The bass usually didn't fare to well either

I loved thrash, but some of the albums sound very cold in hindsight. I didn't discover actual, real BASS until I was in my mid twenties! Tragic!

And now back to the scheduled synth discussion

Peace,
Andy.

[hakey]

iirc, u-he have an Oscar - could that be it?

I'm scratching my head as to what oscillators might be considered 'iconic', and what 'betricksted' means...

[Ch00rD]

iirc, u-he have an Oscar - could that be it?

I'm scratching my head as to what oscillators might be considered 'iconic', and what 'betricksted' means...

... but how on earth would one call the OSCar "blasphemous"?

[Urs]

iirc, u-he have an Oscar - could that be it?

I'm scratching my head as to what oscillators might be considered 'iconic', and what 'betricksted' means...

If I told you what I mean, I'm sure everyone would work it out (actually, some did, but not always entirely - the new oscillator module's reference has definately been mentioned)

I'll post a screenshot as soon as I had the chance to work it out. Currently too busy to do Bazille layouts, but I hope to get into Diva's new modules around Easter.

Gotta fake the Uhbie-Knobs somehow...

[hakey]

... but how on earth would one call the OSCar "blasphemous"?

Dunno. Digital rather than analog perhaps... I've got a bad track record at guessing these things.

[olikana]

use it along with other softsynths like Synthex and OP-X you get most of what people are asking for.

electro do u even own diva? i don't get your point which u keep repeating in every diva thread like a broken record.
you don't like it's modular concept , you don't want further updates.
why did u even buy it? or u are like a child who tries to spoil the fun for others?
i don't own zebra but i don't complain in the zebra thread when they get updates .
and if you're happy with the flawed filter in OP-X what the hell are u doing here? you clearly don't get the point with 0dff or it's wasted on your ears.....honestly when i heard the funky clav comparison between op-x and the real thing i couldn't help but laugh. if that's what u want u have plenty of shitty emulations which just do great for you (all the ones released from 199-till 2011)
if it was for geniuses like you there was never any point for Diva to recreate the moog modules in 2011 as they already had been covered in arturia's minimoogV and other previous products, same for the jupiter8 and ms20 ones..which had all been covered in so called "emulations".
if diva will add an ob-x filter you will actually hear exactly what an ob-x filter sounds like . ..then maybe u'll stop trolling.
and on xils emulations don't get me started.... they might get it right eventually with help from other developers but their previous filter offerings were a smear fest.

[Urs]

Ok... I give up... Sendy was right

Digital Osc: Full blown JP-8k oscillator emu with all 8 waveforms on both oscillators and no restriction of polyphony for any of them. Plus, wherever Control2 doesn't do anything or just modulates Control1 in the original, it does something else in Diva. Both Control1 and Control2 modulatable.

Put that thing through the OB-X filter and you have a great new palette of sound in Diva. Monstrous.

[hakey]

Sendy was right

And "Pimped JP8K supersaw" was wrong?

[Ch00rD]

even in the heaviest, darkest, most aggressive of the various metal subgenres - categorically sucked. With all that guitar violence going on, how could the drums be left untreated?

The bass usually didn't fare to well either

I loved thrash, but some of the albums sound very cold in hindsight. I didn't discover actual, real BASS until I was in my mid twenties! Tragic!

And now back to the scheduled synth discussion

Peace,
Andy.

Haha, indeed. The typical bass player in the (amateur) thrash metal scene did not fare very well in this over-emphasis on the middle range of the frequency spectrum where guitars dominate - and conversely, most guitar amp / cab / stomp box emulations suck for bass synths.

Usually, the bass player was either some guy with too large fingers (the same types you could hear bitching at iPhone touch screen GUI two decades later) or lack of talent for playing guitar, some guy who happened to be a magnet for attention of the females (as in "does not look half as ugly as the rest of us, and his sister is also really pretty"), or some guy who could scream really loud and deep with a rotten voice (which of course that was considered to be a good thing in those circles), and most guitarists needed al their focus on their playing so could not be bothered with having to 'sing' as well.

Drummers, on the other hand, were in a much better position to make demand some respect - i.e., some significant volume and spectrum in the mix. They always had a credible threat: they could just go play with 10 other bands looking for a drummer. This was of course simply the result of some universal laws of nature:
(1) People who want to play metal tend to be young males;
(2) Young males tend to still live with their mothers;
(3) Mothers tend to be reluctant to allow very loud instruments being played in their homes, every day, hours on end;
(4) Acoustic drum kits typically can not be played without making a significant volume - they can not be played with headphones or such.

The result is that drummers were systematically outnumbered by guitar players by orders of magnitude, and could take their pick from dozens of bands without any drummer.

This situation was of course even aggravated by the fact that large instruments are at a disadvantage for the smaller home, and the distribution of home sizes tends to be skewed towards the smaller sized houses. Hence, metal players grew up in houses without direct neighbours in rural areas, e.g. the stereotypical farmer's son practicing with his band in an old pig shed. Especially drummers seemed to come in only two flavors: spoilt rich kids living in huge villa's, or farmer's sons.

Back to topic: show me your best approach at thrash metal guitar (using Diva, or perhaps something else), and I'll show you mine. Perhaps we can figure out whether we need some special new module for analog *guitars*...

[Ch00rD]

Ok... I give up... Sendy was right

Digital Osc: Full blown JP-8k oscillator emu with all 8 waveforms on both oscillators and no restriction of polyphony for any of them. Plus, wherever Control2 doesn't do anything or just modulates Control1 in the original, it does something else in Diva. Both Control1 and Control2 modulatable.

Put that thing through the OB-X filter and you have a great new palette of sound in Diva. Monstrous.

[whyterabbyt]

Sendy was right

And "Pimped JP8K supersaw" was wrong?

Guessing only 1 waveform out of 8? 87.5% wrong...

[pdxindy]

Ok... I give up... Sendy was right

Digital Osc: Full blown JP-8k oscillator emu with all 8 waveforms on both oscillators and no restriction of polyphony for any of them. Plus, wherever Control2 doesn't do anything or just modulates Control1 in the original, it does something else in Diva. Both Control1 and Control2 modulatable.

Put that thing through the OB-X filter and you have a great new palette of sound in Diva. Monstrous.

[nilhartman]

I've never heard/played a JP8000 : does the sound differ a lot from the other Roland oscillators in Diva ?