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JPQ · Post by **JPQ** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:45 am

I give vote synth what i never voted if knowed i can get only one vote but. Oberheim,Prophet are at least nice sounding things to add. actually all i hope URS adds all slowly.

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:19 pm

davidka wrote:SO, let's not forget there's also a sophisticated arpeggiator shaping up for the MusikMesse. [...]

Urs wrote:
Ch00rD wrote:I wonder what the inclusion of a TB-303 filter would in fact bring in terms of new possibilities,
Well, the sequencer/arpeggiator combo in Diva's next rev is mindboggling. People will *want* to do TB-ish stuff with it. It won't matter if it's a close emulation, because it's just really such a great fun to perform with.

Hence I suppose the next big feature request is a filter that adds more acidity. I suspect the DCO will be well suited as a source, as will be the new oscillator model we're adding.

- Urs

I just occurred to me that any possible future addition of a 303(-ish) filter mode in Diva will in all likelihood immediately lead to yet another popular request: an overdrive / distortion / saturation effect module in Diva.

Fwiw, whenever I use the TB-303 or any of its emulations, chances are that I'm also using an overdrive / distortion / saturation / overloaded pre-amp or console channel with 'too much' gain applied following it in the signal chain, perhaps with some EQ or dynamics processing between before and/or after (a noise gate can be useful, for example). The right kind of effect can do wonders to bring out the harmonics and give more 'color', and to even out the volume differences (which may be relatively large with different filter control settings). In this sense, imho it is a bit akin to the sound of an electric guitar: distortion typically makes it sound (subjectively) better rather than worse. Conversely, one of the standards by which I judge overdrive / distortion etc. effects, is "how does it sound on a TB-303?" - especially with a lot of resonance.

Perhaps Sascha has some DSP tricks up his sleeve that would be useful (or even, perfect) for such a purpose?

Also, I'm not sure if or how this exactly relates to the zero delay feedback filter techniques, but I'm wondering whether (and hopeful that) this can also be applied to achieve a great overdrive effect, given its relation to non-linearities / distortion. Some modifications of the 303 (Devil Fish, etc.) also enable audio feedback into the filter and FM, while it can also simply overdrive the level going into the filter).

Similarly, UA's Moog filter plug-in (one of the best overdrive effect plug-ins I know of) also seems to use this approach (although I'm not sure if or how that relates to its overdrive (which can be used apart from the filter itself; also see the brief discussion here). This also makes me wonder whether it would be feasible to use this technique for an effect 'module', i.e. placed somewhere behind the basic generation of the sound. Would that in fact require yet another zero delay feedback filter, i.e. separate from the VCF?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:35 pm

Yes, a distortion/overdrive module is high up on my wish list too.

Sascha was just busy fulfilling his magnetic dreams. He'll soon be assigned more worldly tasks...

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:57 pm

Urs wrote:Yes, a distortion/overdrive module is high up on my wish list too.

Sascha was just busy fulfilling his magnetic dreams. He'll soon be assigned more worldly tasks...

Great to hear.

I really look forward to hear his/your take on tape saturation as well. I bet it will sound awesome and be useful to me; I just would not expect it to be the *type* of saturation/distortion that *best* complements 303-ish filters.

PS: Google seems to really love you and/or 303's... searching for a reference gives me my own post, mere minutes after posting here.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:51 am

Sendy wrote:I'm pretty sure in the case of the SQ80 it's the mechanism of playback rather than the actual single cycle waveforms themselves which give it's it's gritty, almost SID-like character...

It had 8-bit converters I'm pretty sure, hence the gritty warm sound.
Pre 2000 I wrote most of my music with the ESQ-1, and a HR-16... good times good times.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:02 pm

Urs wrote:Yes, a distortion/overdrive module is high up on my wish list too.

Sascha was just busy fulfilling his magnetic dreams. He'll soon be assigned more worldly tasks...

So when I asked you about it a few months ago and you said it's really not high up on the priority list you were just teasing me?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:16 pm

tehlord wrote:
Urs wrote:Yes, a distortion/overdrive module is high up on my wish list too.

Sascha was just busy fulfilling his magnetic dreams. He'll soon be assigned more worldly tasks...
So when I asked you about it a few months ago and you said it's really not high up on the priority list you were just teasing me?

Well, unfortunately my wishlist isn't necessarily the same as my priority list.

Nevertheless, with recent betas having reached final status, a lot of priorities have chilled down.

My current priority is finding the intersection of a line with a cylinder/cone. I need that to render the shadow of Bazille's knobs. If I can't find that (and some other priority eggs) till tomorrow night then I don't think we'll have a printed hand out with a Bazille screenshot for Messe.

I also need that for Diva's knobs in the Uhbie filter... I really want to avoid rendering filmstrip animations in 3D software.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:55 pm

Urs wrote: I really want to avoid rendering filmstrip animations in 3D software.

I'm sure all of us have enough spare PCs lying around to build some real time rendering farms that we have to fire up if we want to run Bazille and Diva.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:03 pm

Don't overreact, SJ_Digriz. It's all possible in realtime with today's GPUs. You don't really need a rendering farm. There's a very good reason why Urs doesn't want to render 3D knobs into filmstrips (shading is one of them).

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:09 pm

Urs wrote:
tehlord wrote:
Urs wrote:Yes, a distortion/overdrive module is high up on my wish list too.

Sascha was just busy fulfilling his magnetic dreams. He'll soon be assigned more worldly tasks...
So when I asked you about it a few months ago and you said it's really not high up on the priority list you were just teasing me?
Well, unfortunately my wishlist isn't necessarily the same as my priority list.

Nevertheless, with recent betas having reached final status, a lot of priorities have chilled down.

My current priority is finding the intersection of a line with a cylinder/cone. I need that to render the shadow of Bazille's knobs. If I can't find that (and some other priority eggs) till tomorrow night then I don't think we'll have a printed hand out with a Bazille screenshot for Messe.

I also need that for Diva's knobs in the Uhbie filter... I really want to avoid rendering filmstrip animations in 3D software.

Either way the change in direction pleases me.

I do not envy your workload!

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:20 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Don't overreact, SJ_Digriz. It's all possible in realtime with today's GPUs. You don't really need a rendering farm. There's a very good reason why Urs doesn't want to render 3D knobs into filmstrips (shading is one of them).

I wonder if this also implies that theme creators won't have to render filmstrips of 3D knobs with semi-transparant shadows included (which indeed is typically quite a tedious chore... "Does it Blend(er)?"

). [EDIT: after re-reading Urs' explanation, I guess that is true as long as we use the same shapes as the default control elements, at least.]

If so, that's another clear bonus: when creating new themes becomes (much) easier, then you'll probably soon have (much) more choice in themes as well.

News From The Sky · Post by **News From The Sky** » Mon May 20, 2013 7:53 pm

Hey Urs, there's an Octave Voyetra 8 on the 'Bay right now:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octave-Voyetra- ... SS:US:1123

Only $6000 opening bid!

If people are willing to pay that much (are they?) I imagine there are a fair number who would be thrilled to pay a lot less for an accurate emulation. Think how much money you could make...

(As tempting as it is to buy one, send it to you, and then resell it, at these prices I think there's very little hope of one ever arriving in U-He HQ.

)

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 21, 2013 5:25 am

News From The Sky wrote:Hey Urs, there's an Octave Voyetra 8 on the 'Bay right now:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octave-Voyetra- ... SS:US:1123

Only $6000 opening bid!

If people are willing to pay that much (are they?) I imagine there are a fair number who would be thrilled to pay a lot less for an accurate emulation. Think how much money you could make...

(As tempting as it is to buy one, send it to you, and then resell it, at these prices I think there's very little hope of one ever arriving in U-He HQ. )

Hmmm... too expensive. Tonetweakers had one for 6500$ recently, and they're on the "beyond end" of the price scale. I missd out on one for about 3000€ last year.

Thing is, the price of keeping those old gems alive is very high. I'm not sure I want any further vintage analogues.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Tue May 21, 2013 8:55 am

Urs wrote:I'm not sure I want any further vintage analogues.

Phew!

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Tue May 21, 2013 9:42 am

You could always buy it, model it, sell it. And then make money of the modeled version as well.

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