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moscom_electronics · Post by **moscom_electronics** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:09 pm

As Bazille's features have not been unveiled yet, and I am impatient

I have a few questions :

- will we be able to modulate the VCA by other sources than the gate and enveloppes? Diva offers such a possibility abd I think it is brilliant.
- Somehow I like when a synth (especially in a modular configuration) has loopable enveloppes (I do not own Zebra, but my recollection from playing with the demo is taht it has such enveloppes). Any chance to see that in Bazille?
- Will we be able to modulate the clock of the sequencer as well as theclcok of the LFO's?

Thanks!

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:36 pm

Urs wrote: Yes, my thoughts too. It'll probably be a mix of those. Pity we don't have a kick-ass distortion/overdrive yet...

- Urs

Yet...(?)

I think this is the first time I will talk about HW vs SW but I am yet to hear any kick ass distortion/overdrive vst that is even light years near a medium quality pedal, they just make it sound bad/noisy and need a lot of post processing, nothing comes even close to a nice amp for guitar. Ohmicide and Saturn does a relatively nice job IMO, but that is all!

So it would be quite interesting to have something new!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:39 pm

Sounds like you didn't check out TSE 808 and R47, Ignite Amps or Mokafix Audio plugins for stompbox emulations (and Scuffham S-Gear, for amps), otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. Bad? No. Noisy? Ummm... nope. Need a lot of post-processing? Errr... not really.

todd_r · Post by **todd_r** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:25 pm

EvilDragon wrote:...Mokafix Audio plugins for stompbox emulations..

Just went to check these out, webshop says they are down since 2010, are they getable (legally) from elsewhere?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:29 pm

moscom_electronics wrote:As Bazille's features have not been unveiled yet, and I am impatient I have a few questions :

- will we be able to modulate the VCA by other sources than the gate and enveloppes? Diva offers such a possibility abd I think it is brilliant.
- Somehow I like when a synth (especially in a modular configuration) has loopable enveloppes (I do not own Zebra, but my recollection from playing with the demo is taht it has such enveloppes). Any chance to see that in Bazille?
- Will we be able to modulate the clock of the sequencer as well as theclcok of the LFO's?

Thanks!

If the Bazille render is accurate (and I would assume so), there is no new VCA modulation feature like in Diva

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:30 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Sounds like you didn't check out TSE 808 and R47, Ignite Amps or Mokafix Audio plugins for stompbox emulations (and Scuffham S-Gear, for amps), otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. Bad? No. Noisy? Ummm... nope. Need a lot of post-processing? Errr... not really.

I think I tried most of those, at least as far as they're also available for OS X, and while some of them are fine for the greater part of the frequency spectrum, iirc most of them are less than ideal for some types of material with lots of very low and/or very high frequency content (which is of course not necessarily required for a broad range of uses). I do appreciate any tips in this general direction very much, and will definitely test those you mention in particular a bit more. So thank very much for mentioning some of your favorites here.

moscom_electronics · Post by **moscom_electronics** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:35 pm

pdxindy wrote:

If the Bazille render is accurate (and I would assume so), there is no new VCA modulation feature like in Diva

I had not checked on the render... the VCA part looks like the current one in the alpha. But I still wonder whether there will be more options or not in this menu

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:47 pm

moscom_electronics wrote:
pdxindy wrote:

If the Bazille render is accurate (and I would assume so), there is no new VCA modulation feature like in Diva
I had not checked on the render... the VCA part looks like the current one in the alpha. But I still wonder whether there will be more options or not in this menu

In the render, the VCA has now 2 inputs rather than 1... otherwise looks the same

There will not be more options in the menu... the VCA can only be controlled by Gate or Env otherwise voices would always be on and always using cpu

Diva also only has Gate or ENV option, but it does have a separate modulator.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:09 pm

pdxindy wrote:Diva also only has Gate or ENV option, but it does have a separate modulator.

Bazille doesn't need extra AM at the outputs - it has plenty elsewhere

moscom_electronics · Post by **moscom_electronics** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:23 pm

Howard wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Diva also only has Gate or ENV option, but it does have a separate modulator.
Bazille doesn't need extra AM at the outputs - it has plenty elsewhere

This answer was useful, Howard! It forced me to check once again where I could modulate amplitudes, and I had never acknowledged the possibility of modulating directly the volume of each osc... which is even better than what I was asking about! I still have to wrap my mind around Bazille'sarchitecture. I hope I am not missing anything regarding the modulations of the clock of the sequencer and the LFO rate....

moscom_electronics · Post by **moscom_electronics** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:24 pm

In fact, I am still wonderign only about the sequencer. The LFOs are Ok... pgfffff... I should check twice before I post... Sorry!

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:30 pm

Howard wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Diva also only has Gate or ENV option, but it does have a separate modulator.
Bazille doesn't need extra AM at the outputs - it has plenty elsewhere

Hey, that sounds like you've been working on yet another magnificent bunch of presets.

K-Slash · Post by **K-Slash** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:15 pm

No love for Presswerk ? What about it ?

Will it have a GUI for the Messe ? And, is the feature set finalized ?

That said, I hope we'll see a multi-algo saturation and clipper plugin from Sascha in the future.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:38 pm

moscom_electronics wrote:As Bazille's features have not been unveiled yet, and I am impatient I have a few questions :

- will we be able to modulate the VCA by other sources than the gate and enveloppes? Diva offers such a possibility abd I think it is brilliant.

Well, Multiples can be used like VCAs.

- Somehow I like when a synth (especially in a modular configuration) has loopable enveloppes (I do not own Zebra, but my recollection from playing with the demo is taht it has such enveloppes). Any chance to see that in Bazille?

Affirmative. Envelopes can be triggered by LFOs.

- Will we be able to modulate the clock of the sequencer as well as theclcok of the LFO's?

Not yet. It may happen in a future version though...

#---

Ok... new features galore, mostly meant as supporting gear on the Tweak page:

LFOs have separate outputs for Triangle/Saw, Pulse and Random S&H - a symmetry parameter controls the waveform/lag

2 auxiliary Ramp generators (ACE-style, trapezoidal) to support existing envelopes, also banned on Tweak page

2 ACE-style Mapping Generators, similar to ACE on Tweak page

2 auxiliary VCFs which are similar to VCF1/2 but only take control rate modulation (envs, lfos, wheels) and thus live on the Tweak page. They came "free" of CPU in parallele to VCFs 1/2, as long as there wasn't any supersonic modulation. Their patch points are on the main page of course.

Each Osc has a choice of traditional Cosine for PD/FM, but you can as well use the infamous Tap The Map feature known from ACE, available for both Mapping Generators - great options both for modulation and waveform design

As has been visible in the rendering, there's now 2 inputs each for VCF and Outputs. This saves on Multiples big time, which are now available for other tasks.

Resonance modulation has its own depth parameter now - more control.

That's it in a nutshell... whole new synth, but fully backwards compatible provided you repatch the LFOs accordingly (we might be able to do this on the fly, not sure)

- Urs

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:46 pm

K-Slash wrote:No love for Presswerk ? What about it ?

Will it have a GUI for the Messe ? And, is the feature set finalized ?

I think it's feature complete, but the user interface isn't there yet. It needs to be rebuilt from scratch bearing resemblence to the Satin design. Once we have final renderings of Satin's knobs and all we can probably do an almost final draft quickly.

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