A new competitor to Uhe Diva has arived!!!

[chilly7]

ok dudes i bought monark and here it goes
things i liked more in monark so far

-the feedback/load combo
combine FEEDBACK with LOAD and u get a miriade of many rich distorted tones. really nice. it's a must have feature imo. Feedback B (when the letter B is showing) in particular is very useful for straightforward distortion and less swampy than the other feedback type which btw seems more similar to the diva one.

-the noise generator (white noise almost equal,pink noise much better in monark)
i complained about divas white noise being too bright and brittle and not full bodied enough...but actually the white noise in monark has more highs than diva (maybe less britle) and doesn't even have any more body than the diva has. i would say the difference is marginal in the white noise department but still a little tiny nudge towards monark.
the pink noise.....while the diva one seems to be just white noise minus the high frequencies....the monark one brings in shit loads of bass content (that is not present in the white noise) making it massive. here the pink noise of monark is really an added weapon.

- the FM...can't get the 2 to sound identical ...diva's more flexible for sure but but . i'll pass my judgment on this till i made more tests

for now this i noticed...

Thanks.

[Krakatau]

Let see what will happened CPUwise with the new feature coming, though it won't necessarily be significant on that point (arpegiator, for instance...)

no worries for Mac Pro ovners...

Well, technically an iMac i7 insn't so to say a mac Pro but indeed, not much worries about the CPU consumption either...

[David Else]

I actually changed my mind after listening to the new user demos of MONARK, its Moog emulation sounds somehow 'warmer' and more Moogy than Diva. The lead in this demo drew me to this conclusion:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Ingo% ... FXs%29.mp3

Found it here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=45

If you have Reaktor you can play MONARK in poly mode fine with a little hack.

[olikana]

well your conclusion is based on nothing substantial.

that's just a preset (with effects btw) that might sound warmer than another different preset. but it's not necessarily the synth that sounds warmer.
unless you have that same preset replicated in diva correctly (different values so you need to tweak by ear) and with the same effects any judgemnt is illogical.
unless FM, load/overload or pink noise are involved i can get the same exact sound from both . i've been doing tests all week,
they can be as identical as 2 minimoogs can be.

[chilly7]

I do not own Monark but i own Dcam Synth Squde and i have a demo of Diva and they both very high quality, but they sounds differtly and i think they are both very good one.

[himalaya]

but they sounds differtly

They better sound different. Imagine if all synths sounded the same - it would be kinda boring.

[chilly7]

but they sounds differtly

They better sound different. Imagine if all synths sounded the same - it would be kinda boring.

year, but Analog hardwere sound different. and even two mini Mooga migh sound different and i am glad there are varientions from which u can select

[himalaya]

year, but Analog hardwere sound different.

That's what I meant.

[fluxmind]

well your conclusion is based on nothing substantial.

that's just a preset (with effects btw) that might sound warmer than another different preset. but it's not necessarily the synth that sounds warmer.
unless you have that same preset replicated in diva correctly (different values so you need to tweak by ear) and with the same effects any judgemnt is illogical.
unless FM, load/overload or pink noise are involved i can get the same exact sound from both . i've been doing tests all week,
they can be as identical as 2 minimoogs can be.

From me they sound different enough (disregarding FM, Load/Overdrive or Pink Noise) to prefer one over another most of the time for it's sound.
Here is an example, it doesn't matter which is which, but I can't get diva to sound like Monark, didn't try wise-versa, but I don't care and I understand why they do sound different, but that difference is enough for me to develop a preference for one over another.
So my point is that it both have their own sound even at simple things and that difference is enough to develop a preference and one can't replace another if you're discerning about your sounds.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/2/9/3 ... Snippy.mp3

Here are presets for both, so you can try to match it better,
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/2/9/3 ... resets.zip

[Kriminal]

but they sounds differtly

They better sound different. Imagine if all synths sounded the same - it would be kinda boring.

And yet ppl still try to create the same sounds/patches for evey synth. Seems like they want them to all sound the same.

[olikana]

well your conclusion is based on nothing substantial.
that's just a preset (with effects btw) that might sound warmer than another different preset. but it's not necessarily the synth that sounds warmer.
unless you have that same preset replicated in diva correctly (different values so you need to tweak by ear) and with the same effects any judgemnt is illogical.
unless FM, load/overload or pink noise are involved i can get the same exact sound from both . i've been doing tests all week,
they can be as identical as 2 minimoogs can be.

From me they sound different enough (disregarding FM, Load/Overdrive or Pink Noise) to prefer one over another most of the time for it's sound.
Here is an example, it doesn't matter which is which, but I can't get diva to sound like Monark, didn't try wise-versa, but I don't care and I understand why they do sound different, but that difference is enough for me to develop a preference for one over another.
So my point is that it both have their own sound even at simple things and that difference is enough to develop a preference and one can't replace another if you're discerning about your sounds.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/2/9/3 ... Snippy.mp3

Here are presets for both, so you can try to match it better,
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/2/9/3 ... resets.zip

the biggest and obvious difference in that audio example is the modulation amount.
full contour in monark is equivalent to no more than 85% mod depth in diva.
here's with the diva depth amount adjusted to better match the full contour in monark and a couple of other minor tweaks
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/503 ... vaflux.wav
firt plays monark then diva repeated on 3 osctaves.
not exactly the same but with more little tweaks i'm sure i could match them to the point u wouldn't even notice the switched instrument.

edit: improved matching in following page

[himalaya]

but they sounds differtly

They better sound different. Imagine if all synths sounded the same - it would be kinda boring.

And yet ppl still try to create the same sounds/patches for evey synth. Seems like they want them to all sound the same.

It seems you're not a connoisseur of synth brass? In all synths?

[fluxmind]

not exactly the same but with more little tweaks i'm sure i could match them to the point u wouldn't even notice the switched instrument.

My bad, you're right, I've just fooled around with it a bit, with that 85% in mind, and indeed they are almost the same.
Though both still have some advantages and disadvantages(Diva has barely few), so diva exceeds.
Though if you have Reaktor then you can make some interesting things with Monark, like use it as a filter or modulate filter with some drum loop.

[olikana]

actually no more than 70% as it's a 120 point resolution encoder.
but u know know what i mean: no more than the 85 point value, with the spot on value being probably around 80 point or just below .

[Ch00rD]

actually no more than 70% as it's a 120 point resolution encoder.
but u know know what i mean: no more than the 85 point value, with the spot on value being probably around 80 point or just below .

Huh? What does the resolution of the encoder used have to so with it? The modulation depth parameters in Diva actually have a 'normalised' range from -120.00 to +120.00 shown on the GUI, and thus can show 24001 discrete steps, but have an even higher resolution internally. Iirc, the Minimoog has a modulation range of 5 octaves, so I'd go for a value of 72.00 - indeed, just a bit below 80.