Ableton, all plugins cause *automation* pdc issues, very good discussion within.. lots of info!
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
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True. But sometimes if #5 isn't what you want or doesn't work, then you need #1. #2-4 are to avoid thinking about #5.dusted william wrote: IMO only number 5 is necessary.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
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Hmmm I thought I tested that. Maybe I'm thinking of clip automation. I would have thought that works the same as automation. Anyways, those tenets I follow are so that I don't have to think about where in the plug-in chain anything is or what my total latency is because I know it's low. I want to move things at will and not think about what's automated etc. So I could be wrong about the automation. I though it depended on placement relative to latency inducing plug-ins.TheoM wrote:sorry but i can definitely call you wrong on the automation.
I just tested it. On track one i have an audio track with perfectly synced per beat volume tremolo automation.
on track 2 i add an affect with medium latency (this time a melda auto eq linear)
now the volume automation on track one sounds completely different. they are not even on the same signal path.
i'll try it on a per track basis, but regardless, what's on another track screws it up anyway. I think people need to understand.. the playhead, and ALL automation in live is delayed by the total plugin delay of all tracks, placed anywhere, ANYWHERE! this i can confirm 200%
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I have not read the entire thread yet. Reading through right now. I have a question.
is this PDC stuff strictly for a effects?
or does this include instrument plugins?
meaning.. if you use instrument plugins with no effects? do you still get pdc issues?
is this PDC stuff strictly for a effects?
or does this include instrument plugins?
meaning.. if you use instrument plugins with no effects? do you still get pdc issues?
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Can anyone tell me just how bad the delay actually is?
Are we talking about a matter of a few seconds here?
Are we talking about a matter of a few seconds here?
Barry
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
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Yeah, they should fix it. Just bother them with emails! 
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the problem, but I couldn't reproduce it. I'm testing on a Window 7 x64 laptop, running Live 9 through the built in audio with ASIO4ALL and a 512 buffer.
I added a drum rack and laid down a 4/4 kick drum pattern. Duplicated the track. On the duplicate, I started piling on the effects- standard Ableton effects, M4L effects, VST effects. The timing between the two tracks remained perfectly synced.
Any chance that someone could upload a project file using only included effects which clearly demonstrates the issue?
I added a drum rack and laid down a 4/4 kick drum pattern. Duplicated the track. On the duplicate, I started piling on the effects- standard Ableton effects, M4L effects, VST effects. The timing between the two tracks remained perfectly synced.
Any chance that someone could upload a project file using only included effects which clearly demonstrates the issue?
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRist
- 208 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Scottsdale, AZ, USA
I think there's a lot of confusion with Live and PDC. PDC works just fine in Live. What doesn't work is PDC on automation, so if you're not using a lot of automation you should be fine...
Ken
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oh, I get itTheoM wrote:i said playhead D
as in the cursor that scrolls over the parts.
yeah, that can get off and is not latency compensated, but I guess I have just learned to live with that aspect.
dw