Ableton, all plugins cause *automation* pdc issues, very good discussion within.. lots of info!
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Today, if you have "Studio One" and "Live", you can do everything.
For musicians in small studios :
- Live (loops)
- Studio One (tracks)
- Reaper (tracks)
- FLStudio (loops,patterns)
- Usine (live racks, modular sound research)
- Audiomulch (sound research)
For producers in big studios (all track oriented)
- Digital Performer
- Protools
- Logic
- Cubase
- Studio One Pro
For playing around :
- Energy-XT
- Tracktion
- Reason
- Sonar?
- Sequel
For nothing yet :
- Bitwig : let's hope it will be a mix of "Live" and "Studio One" with an underlying modular flavor (inspired from MAX for live or Usine)
For musicians in small studios :
- Live (loops)
- Studio One (tracks)
- Reaper (tracks)
- FLStudio (loops,patterns)
- Usine (live racks, modular sound research)
- Audiomulch (sound research)
For producers in big studios (all track oriented)
- Digital Performer
- Protools
- Logic
- Cubase
- Studio One Pro
For playing around :
- Energy-XT
- Tracktion
- Reason
- Sonar?
- Sequel
For nothing yet :
- Bitwig : let's hope it will be a mix of "Live" and "Studio One" with an underlying modular flavor (inspired from MAX for live or Usine)
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It works like that for me. You have to try yourself.TheoM wrote:sorry but live on mac is *alot* more stable than S1 with a myriad of 3rd party plugins, and the low latency performance is MUCH better..
S1 does pdc correctly, yes.. probably the best of any host.. but it's by no means a "robust" program (on mac)
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I never worked with "Samplitude".
http://www.samplitude.com/en/
Looks like a fully featured pro tool alternative.
http://www.samplitude.com/en/
Looks like a fully featured pro tool alternative.
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The best of any host
It's way more important for simple "daily" automation, than for EDM (Edited Dance Music)considering the fact that most EDM is done by deaf wannabes and people loves it.
Imagine a mixing engineer trying to automate some sibilant vocal or to "ride" a vocal in Pro Tools, and that's quite common, so instead of drawing, (which is very common as opposed to automating with fader moves) where he sees a vocal part which needs to be automated, he has to guess, where to start drawing, because a "DAW" shows him bullsh*t instead of reality. But in reality Pro Tools do not show bullsh*t, that's why it's a weapon of choice for mixing engineers. In general PT automation capabilities is way above toys like Live.
So this nonsense like lame digital unit delay filters should be eradicated.
At least then some deaf wannabes will improve their mixing without even knowing it, so it won't gonna piss me off so bad, while shopping in a mall and listening to that crap, which every mall plays now on every corner.
It's way more important for simple "daily" automation, than for EDM (Edited Dance Music)considering the fact that most EDM is done by deaf wannabes and people loves it.
Imagine a mixing engineer trying to automate some sibilant vocal or to "ride" a vocal in Pro Tools, and that's quite common, so instead of drawing, (which is very common as opposed to automating with fader moves) where he sees a vocal part which needs to be automated, he has to guess, where to start drawing, because a "DAW" shows him bullsh*t instead of reality. But in reality Pro Tools do not show bullsh*t, that's why it's a weapon of choice for mixing engineers. In general PT automation capabilities is way above toys like Live.
So this nonsense like lame digital unit delay filters should be eradicated.
At least then some deaf wannabes will improve their mixing without even knowing it, so it won't gonna piss me off so bad, while shopping in a mall and listening to that crap, which every mall plays now on every corner.
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My experience with comparable third party setups in both hosts at a 128 and 256 buffer size is better cpu performance in Studio One, while being able to push it closer to the redline without audible breakups or dropouts. This is with Live 8.28 and Studio One 2.5x in 32-bit on OSX 10.6.8.TheoM wrote:sorry but live on mac is *alot* more stable than S1 with a myriad of 3rd party plugins, and the low latency performance is MUCH better..
It is also easier to monitor and manage project resources within Studio One, which allows me to push the system a bit further than I am able to within Live.
I know that there are a lot of variables to this kind of thing, and have read reports from others who have had different experiences as well. I have yet to push a project to the edge with Studio One, yet am sharing what I've experienced so far.
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Can you use Reaper on the windows machine? Is Reaper that bad on the Mac? As bad as S1?TheoM wrote:Akshara of course and i think it's great to read different views as i don't want to put anyone off S1 when there are clearly people who have OK performance with it on MAC! it's nice to read the opposite to myself
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Intriguing... well of course, that is a drag. Unlike with Live, I haven't experienced Studio One on Windows. Live 7 and 8 certainly ran better, on this same system, on WinXp with Bootcamp. I decided to sacrifice the performance boost to simplify my life and to let go of Windows for good, which I still consider to be one of the best decisions that I ever made, for my sanity and well being.TheoM wrote:Studio one isn't an option because as much as i love it on windows, i just can't see how i'd be able to load my projects on mac and they would play back. The mac specs are slightly inferior to the windows laptop and studio one between the two machines has shown up to 5x better performance on the windows machine doing the same thing.. so if i even have a slightly heavy cpu project on the pc, there's no way i could come home and it would play back on the mac
However I do hear you. As you said, there are ways to work around the PDC issue in Live, with enough forethought and micromanagement. Since you already have Studio One, what about Transforming everything in the PC session before transferring to the Mac? Would that free up enough resources to be able to work on the sessions, with a more focused process on the Mac, and then Untransform everything when back on the PC, with the new changes or additions from the Mac session? That might be too much of a process though, having not tried it myself.
I don't know, just brainstorming. I eventually had to give up working with shared sessions between Win and Mac, as it drove me a little bonkers. Just thinking about it makes me want to take a quiet walk by the lake.
Actually, that's a good idea. Think I'll just do that. Best to you, Theo.
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I said the same thing...TheoM wrote:there will never be a time, ever, as i live and breathe, in my existence, that i will use reaper to make music. Ever. I don't know how much clearer i can be than that.liquidsound wrote:Can you use Reaper on the windows machine? Is Reaper that bad on the Mac? As bad as S1?TheoM wrote:Akshara of course and i think it's great to read different views as i don't want to put anyone off S1 when there are clearly people who have OK performance with it on MAC! it's nice to read the opposite to myself
But thank you
It's good to be wrong.
Never say never
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One final thought, Theo, as I wait for the wind to lessen a bit... you mention the mac specs being slightly inferior... does it happen to have a core2duo processor? On any mac, PreSonus recommends running Studio One at a 128 buffer in order to disable the speed stepping of the cpu, otherwise there will be bad performance spikes due to the processor constantly throttling down.
On a core2duo however, there is a mac application called Coolbook which allows for runnng the processor at higher frequencies with lower voltages, or disabling the throttling altogether by running the highest frequency with the lowest stable voltage (mine is set like this), which allows for higher buffer sizes in Studio One at full cpu performance, which may bring the mac's performance closer to your PC's.
May not be related, just a thought.
On a core2duo however, there is a mac application called Coolbook which allows for runnng the processor at higher frequencies with lower voltages, or disabling the throttling altogether by running the highest frequency with the lowest stable voltage (mine is set like this), which allows for higher buffer sizes in Studio One at full cpu performance, which may bring the mac's performance closer to your PC's.
May not be related, just a thought.