KVR Audio

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:25 pm

This seems relevant in a bizarre kind of way

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:30 pm

Bitwig Radley would make sure the birds are OK though.

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:31 pm

I got picked for the Alpha test....

I f**king DOMINATED, BIOTCHEZ!!!!

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:35 pm

debra1rlo wrote:I f**king DOMINATED

indeed, excellent service.
would recommend to anyone looking to be dominated, you certainly get what you pay for

4 and a half out of 5 stars.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:44 pm

Didnt apply, so, no. Its a big job testing a Host properly. Much bigger than a synth. Dont have the time (or the inclination...i only test stuff that im interested in) so wouldnt be much use.

Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:50 pm

Kriminal wrote:Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....

WHO CARES! SHINY NEW STUFF!!!!!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:52 pm

VitaminD wrote:hibs will be using it too.

I'm already using it, suckers!

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:07 pm

I got the invite...why did autocorrect come up with igor????

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:11 pm

Kriminal wrote:Didnt apply, so, no. Its a big job testing a Host properly. Much bigger than a synth. Dont have the time (or the inclination...i only test stuff that im interested in) so wouldnt be much use.

Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....

So, when I agree to beta something, I'm not agreeing to take on a part time job. I'm agreeing to use it in the way that I'm using my existing software and I'm agreeing to try out the new features as I would normally. If I encounter problems I'm agreeing to report the bugs and/or not complain if you capture logs from my usage.

If you want me to test YOUR software like I test MY software, then you MUST offer to pay me what my time is worth. In my opinion, beta testers are getting something of very limited value so to expect much from them is simply unrealistic. As a dev you should be gathering logs and you should be doing analysis of those logs to see what kind of coverage across different hardware/software configurations that you're getting as well as using them to help validate/refute known bug reports.

In short, I think that me offering to use your "buggy" software for a few weeks for nothing more than the privilege of using your "buggy" software for a few weeks is a great deal for you!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:26 pm

Almost nobody takes beta testing seriously.

However, when I've done it, the companies don't take it seriously all the time either.

Confirmed bugs are treated as a feature requests and fixed at the convenience of the company, or not at all.

Back when I signed up I'd have been quite happy to put this through it's paces but I've totally given up accomplishing anything musically and do not want to go through another popularity contes.......I mean beta test for a host. I just did this with the live 9 beta, I'm still in beta, I'm sick of testing stuff.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:30 pm

Kriminal wrote:Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....

yeah, theres a certain thread here at themoment that shows that some beta testers need to work harder...

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:48 pm

Oops, I just checked my junk mailbox and found about 300 emails from Bitwig. Turns out they selected me as their sole beta tester and they've been waiting for me this whole time. Sorry.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Fri May 31, 2013 8:58 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Didnt apply, so, no. Its a big job testing a Host properly. Much bigger than a synth. Dont have the time (or the inclination...i only test stuff that im interested in) so wouldnt be much use.

Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....
So, when I agree to beta something, I'm not agreeing to take on a part time job. I'm agreeing to use it in the way that I'm using my existing software and I'm agreeing to try out the new features as I would normally. If I encounter problems I'm agreeing to report the bugs and/or not complain if you capture logs from my usage.

If you want me to test YOUR software like I test MY software, then you MUST offer to pay me what my time is worth. In my opinion, beta testers are getting something of very limited value so to expect much from them is simply unrealistic. As a dev you should be gathering logs and you should be doing analysis of those logs to see what kind of coverage across different hardware/software configurations that you're getting as well as using them to help validate/refute known bug reports.

In short, I think that me offering to use your "buggy" software for a few weeks for nothing more than the privilege of using your "buggy" software for a few weeks is a great deal for you!

Was Bitwig not offering a free/discounted copy to beta testers who participated fully? (not a snarky implication, but an honest question

)

I've been on a few beta test teams before and that was usually the case - but you did need to fully participate (utilize the software quite fully, document and report bugs, assist in verification, etc.)

Otherwise, yeah. Pay me to be part of the Q/A team.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri May 31, 2013 10:09 pm

JoeCat wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Didnt apply, so, no. Its a big job testing a Host properly. Much bigger than a synth. Dont have the time (or the inclination...i only test stuff that im interested in) so wouldnt be much use.

Always amazes me the amount of ppl who join beta teams full of promises and cant deliver....
So, when I agree to beta something, I'm not agreeing to take on a part time job. I'm agreeing to use it in the way that I'm using my existing software and I'm agreeing to try out the new features as I would normally. If I encounter problems I'm agreeing to report the bugs and/or not complain if you capture logs from my usage.

If you want me to test YOUR software like I test MY software, then you MUST offer to pay me what my time is worth. In my opinion, beta testers are getting something of very limited value so to expect much from them is simply unrealistic. As a dev you should be gathering logs and you should be doing analysis of those logs to see what kind of coverage across different hardware/software configurations that you're getting as well as using them to help validate/refute known bug reports.

In short, I think that me offering to use your "buggy" software for a few weeks for nothing more than the privilege of using your "buggy" software for a few weeks is a great deal for you!
Was Bitwig not offering a free/discounted copy to beta testers who participated fully? (not a snarky implication, but an honest question )

I don't know, you tell me? Their web site says "we're beta testing, sign up to our newsletter if you want to test."

I've been on a few beta test teams before and that was usually the case - but you did need to fully participate (utilize the software quite fully, document and report bugs, assist in verification, etc.)

I've almost never seen this to be the case with "open betas", which, to me, make the most sense. For my efforts, which have been minimal, I've received no compensation of any sort for beta testing. To be clear, I'm perfectly ok with that. I view the beta test as an open minded extended demo. That is, I'm seeing if I want to switch/upgrade and I'm willing to help you with any issues that I find. The thing is, I do this anyway even if I'm not beta-testing. I have almost always found that the bugs that I know about have already been reported, but, I go out of my way to report bugs in products that I like. If you're asking for detailed reporting that doesn't really sound like "beta" testing to me, that sounds like you're still working out the bugs in your alpha.

Otherwise, yeah. Pay me to be part of the Q/A team.

Sure, I agree that if you are getting a free license worth several hundred dollars or more then your obligation is more than what should be expected in an open beta. By open here, I really mean semi-open. That is, anyone can participate, but you still have to wait until you're asked to help to download. So, in other words, like what Bitwig is doing.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Fri May 31, 2013 10:30 pm

ghettosynth wrote:...I don't know, you tell me? Their web site says "we're beta testing, sign up to our newsletter if you want to test."

I signed up but received no invitation, so unless it was limited by number, I assume it was not truly open. Wasn't sure what they were offering the invitees. My assumption being that Bitwig selected from the interested parties and possibly offered compensation for full participation, but I'm only assuming since I didn't get past signing up. Maybe that's part of the non-disclosure.

ghettosynth wrote:If you're asking for detailed reporting that doesn't really sound like "beta" testing to me, that sounds like you're still working out the bugs in your alpha.

I disagree with you here, since even finished products can benefit from detailed reporting of bugs, of the type a vendor might not receive from support. Last beta I participated in, we provided detailed descriptions of the environment (and sometimes multiple environments), steps for reproducibility, etc. So for that we were compensated. A lot of bugs only show up in certain circumstances and that's where the vendors really benefit from a beta group - it can be tough even for a large testing group to replicate every environment.

anyone else bummed they didn't get picked to Beta test BitwigStudio?