Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 11 Jun, 2013 from London
Yes, Asio4all should work with everything. It has certainly performed better than the manufacturers drivers on all interfaces I have tested midi guitar with. Although it should be said that these are all £100-200 interfaces, so not the pick of the bunch.
When installing asio4all make sure you tick the off-line settings mode so that you can choose the interface you want to use it with.
When installing asio4all make sure you tick the off-line settings mode so that you can choose the interface you want to use it with.
Ableton live 8, Zoom R16, MIDI guitar
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- KVRist
- 302 posts since 28 Apr, 2006
Still can't seem to get 7.5 working with my system. Sonart 8.53. XP 32-bit. 6.1 version works fine. Utilizing MIDI loopback and standalone MIDI Guitar. If I try 7.5 I can trigger the Internal synthesizers for testing just fine but no midi input makes it into sonar. As soon as I switch to the 6.1 version all is fine. Checked the midi output and is still on the MIDI loopback port In both versions.
Any idea where I can start looking next? This is the first Version that has given me any trouble whatsoever since the 0.1 version
Any idea where I can start looking next? This is the first Version that has given me any trouble whatsoever since the 0.1 version
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- KVRist
- 279 posts since 13 Feb, 2007
Would the name change of the standalone program make a difference? Prior to 0.7.5 the 32bit standalone was "MIDI Guitar.exe" the new standalone is "MIDIGuitar.exe". Note the space removed in the program name.spinedoc wrote:Still can't seem to get 7.5 working with my system. Sonart 8.53. XP 32-bit. 6.1 version works fine. Utilizing MIDI loopback and standalone MIDI Guitar. If I try 7.5 I can trigger the Internal synthesizers for testing just fine but no midi input makes it into sonar. As soon as I switch to the 6.1 version all is fine. Checked the midi output and is still on the MIDI loopback port In both versions.
Any idea where I can start looking next? This is the first Version that has given me any trouble whatsoever since the 0.1 version
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
will midiguitar recognize 1/4 tone pitches?
now or in a update?
http://anomalocules.tripod.com/
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anyone have a 1/4 tone guitar to try it?
now or in a update?
http://anomalocules.tripod.com/
sitebuildercontent/sitebuilde rpictures/
athanatone1.jpg
anyone have a 1/4 tone guitar to try it?
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- KVRian
- 989 posts since 27 Jun, 2011
More importantly, does midi-spec reconize 1/4-tones? I don't think it does. Midi notes are half-tones, the rest has to be expressed via pitch bend.memyselfandus wrote:will midiguitar recognize 1/4 tone pitches?
now or in a update?
http://anomalocules.tripod.com/
sitebuildercontent/sitebuilde rpictures/
athanatone1.jpg
anyone have a 1/4 tone guitar to try it?
That said, MG does recognize pitch-bend, so you could say it recognizes 1/4-tones in the same sense midi-spec does.
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- KVRist
- 302 posts since 28 Apr, 2006
I don't think so with the standalone. With using it inside sonar you have to do another registry re edit I read in a previous post. As a standalone it should make no difference.
scook wrote:Would the name change of the standalone program make a difference? Prior to 0.7.5 the 32bit standalone was "MIDI Guitar.exe" the new standalone is "MIDIGuitar.exe". Note the space removed in the program name.spinedoc wrote:Still can't seem to get 7.5 working with my system. Sonart 8.53. XP 32-bit. 6.1 version works fine. Utilizing MIDI loopback and standalone MIDI Guitar. If I try 7.5 I can trigger the Internal synthesizers for testing just fine but no midi input makes it into sonar. As soon as I switch to the 6.1 version all is fine. Checked the midi output and is still on the MIDI loopback port In both versions.
Any idea where I can start looking next? This is the first Version that has given me any trouble whatsoever since the 0.1 version
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- KVRist
- 279 posts since 13 Feb, 2007
It was just a guess. I do not have 8.5 installed or use the loopback method. I use MIDI Guitar as a VST in X2. Yeah, I made the post about the registry entry just to remind those that may have forgotten what they did to get MIDI Guitar working the first time.spinedoc wrote:I don't think so with the standalone. With using it inside sonar you have to do another registry re edit I read in a previous post. As a standalone it should make no difference.
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 7 Jun, 2013
More success. As mentioned above by doherty12, the ASIO4ALL drivers work much better than my Alesis mixer's native drivers. I still had to load those for midi to work, but selected the ASIO4ALL device in MG. Wow, more responsive, and picks up chords and arpeggiated chords much better. Still has room to grow, and double picking and chord strumming are still tough.
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- KVRist
- 302 posts since 28 Apr, 2006
finally got it working. On my system at least I had to make some changes in the virtual midi ports compared to 6.1 version. YMMV.
Think the detection is a bit better in this version. But the thing I really like is the included MDA synths in the standalone. I often will add my midi parts late in the tracking/mixing process and the host delay compensation makes it impossible to play in real time with lots of vsts already running. using the standalone I can get a quick bass, piano, rhodes, fx sound while tracking and just record the midi, in its proper time stamp, in the DAW, and then assign to sampler or synth after tracking. Nice move here Jam origin.
Think the detection is a bit better in this version. But the thing I really like is the included MDA synths in the standalone. I often will add my midi parts late in the tracking/mixing process and the host delay compensation makes it impossible to play in real time with lots of vsts already running. using the standalone I can get a quick bass, piano, rhodes, fx sound while tracking and just record the midi, in its proper time stamp, in the DAW, and then assign to sampler or synth after tracking. Nice move here Jam origin.
scook wrote:It was just a guess. I do not have 8.5 installed or use the loopback method. I use MIDI Guitar as a VST in X2. Yeah, I made the post about the registry entry just to remind those that may have forgotten what they did to get MIDI Guitar working the first time.spinedoc wrote:I don't think so with the standalone. With using it inside sonar you have to do another registry re edit I read in a previous post. As a standalone it should make no difference.
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- KVRist
- 120 posts since 12 Mar, 2011
Well I've been testing out different versions of MG from 6.0 to the latest 7.5
I have to say that versions 7.3 - 7.4 and 7.5 have a strange behavior when tracking fast notes in staccato, they are simply transmitted as a sort of a continuous tied notes. Version 6.1 and 7.1 play these notes nicely. All versions have a weird behavior at sample rates above 44.1K affecting the real pitch of notes and making pitch bend feature go crazy. I don't know exactly what's going on but this software performs nicely some times and others seems to get very unstable. I'm checking out the whole context an eviroment where MG exists, this is: the host SENSOMUSIC USINE, Operating systems (I have a dual boot PC with optimized versions of Win XP x86 and Win 7 x64), audio interface and drivers to make sure everything is running OK.
I feel that there is a sweet spot in 6.1 version where the software achieved a very good level of stability and performance quality although some things needed improvement but then things were getting in another direction, seeking for extra features and compatibility with vstis, and that's fine but It seems that the real goal has been going backwards. I think this needs a review by developers.
I have to say that versions 7.3 - 7.4 and 7.5 have a strange behavior when tracking fast notes in staccato, they are simply transmitted as a sort of a continuous tied notes. Version 6.1 and 7.1 play these notes nicely. All versions have a weird behavior at sample rates above 44.1K affecting the real pitch of notes and making pitch bend feature go crazy. I don't know exactly what's going on but this software performs nicely some times and others seems to get very unstable. I'm checking out the whole context an eviroment where MG exists, this is: the host SENSOMUSIC USINE, Operating systems (I have a dual boot PC with optimized versions of Win XP x86 and Win 7 x64), audio interface and drivers to make sure everything is running OK.
I feel that there is a sweet spot in 6.1 version where the software achieved a very good level of stability and performance quality although some things needed improvement but then things were getting in another direction, seeking for extra features and compatibility with vstis, and that's fine but It seems that the real goal has been going backwards. I think this needs a review by developers.
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- KVRAF
- 4287 posts since 6 Nov, 2009
I know, right? A guitar-playing friend of mine was super excited that Live could do this... for free would be amazing. Where is the latest download?ariajazz wrote:No activity here?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 155 posts since 10 Jul, 2012
Thanks everyone for all the feedback!
I've been away for one month in order to finish off version 0.8, which should be announced tomorrow. I just want to quickly answer some of the questions since then.
As for the latency discussion a few pages back. MIDI Guitar has since the beginning processed buffers that are around 6 ms (i.e. 256 @ 44.1), regardless of whatever buffersize you choose. For this reason, at 44.1Khz, 256 and 128 (divisors of 256) will process all samples ready and be are good choices for your soundcard as buffersizes. Its far from optimal, but it has made it easier for us to focus on a single target until now.
Ideally you would be able to use the same low internal buffersizes as the soundcard process, and as some of you request: be free to challenge your CPUs to any extent you want. We have already implemented this, but not thoroughly tested, and it will be a feature in 0.9.
Some of you have notices oddities at non-44.1 samplerates and (as indicated by a warning/tooltip inside MG) version 0.8 makes all samplerates run equally well. Version 0.8 will also some new major features - including our new MIDI Machine - more about that tomorrow.
Ariajazz, thanks for taking the effort to compare those latest versions! - and sorry i didn't notice earlier. Your findings about samplerates and problems with staccato are in line with our own and should be fixed in 0.8. Versions 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 all have a different feel, and all dependent on the guitar setup and playing style and how sensitive you are to latency. To some extent we have been trying out different technologies, with the pursuit is to find the optimal best settings that works well for all with minimal setup tweaking. I hope you will find time test also 0.8.
I can inform that we have a machine here that analyse guitar sounds 24/7 and to some extent we rely on it to ensure the general quality improve in every major update (not necessary for all setups, but for most). That said, feedback from real users is critical for us.
I've been away for one month in order to finish off version 0.8, which should be announced tomorrow. I just want to quickly answer some of the questions since then.
As for the latency discussion a few pages back. MIDI Guitar has since the beginning processed buffers that are around 6 ms (i.e. 256 @ 44.1), regardless of whatever buffersize you choose. For this reason, at 44.1Khz, 256 and 128 (divisors of 256) will process all samples ready and be are good choices for your soundcard as buffersizes. Its far from optimal, but it has made it easier for us to focus on a single target until now.
Ideally you would be able to use the same low internal buffersizes as the soundcard process, and as some of you request: be free to challenge your CPUs to any extent you want. We have already implemented this, but not thoroughly tested, and it will be a feature in 0.9.
Some of you have notices oddities at non-44.1 samplerates and (as indicated by a warning/tooltip inside MG) version 0.8 makes all samplerates run equally well. Version 0.8 will also some new major features - including our new MIDI Machine - more about that tomorrow.
Ariajazz, thanks for taking the effort to compare those latest versions! - and sorry i didn't notice earlier. Your findings about samplerates and problems with staccato are in line with our own and should be fixed in 0.8. Versions 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 all have a different feel, and all dependent on the guitar setup and playing style and how sensitive you are to latency. To some extent we have been trying out different technologies, with the pursuit is to find the optimal best settings that works well for all with minimal setup tweaking. I hope you will find time test also 0.8.
I can inform that we have a machine here that analyse guitar sounds 24/7 and to some extent we rely on it to ensure the general quality improve in every major update (not necessary for all setups, but for most). That said, feedback from real users is critical for us.
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