t3toooo wrote:
it is released!!!!,wowowowowowowowow!
Bitwig Studio [Certified Official Thread!] - with cats, and INFO!
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- KVRian
- 1120 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
Just a few more minutes...
...it's almost done!
...it's almost done!
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- KVRAF
- 1920 posts since 23 Sep, 2005
Hahaha,... Please don't burn the cat 
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- KVRAF
- 1920 posts since 23 Sep, 2005
Yes, I see that, but it could have been much worst.hibidy wrote:Considering the skin they use, it already looks burnt.Muziksculp wrote:Hahaha,... Please don't burn the cat
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- KVRist
- 312 posts since 23 Oct, 2007 from Somerset UK
Hey
I have a feeling, they've been asked to answer some questions in a court of law, or that letters of intent may have been written.
It's just a thought but they must have been asked to prove their rationale and rights to the IP, I feel it could be a tight squeeze between working relationship and patent to be fair.
I do find the whole thing a bit to close to the edit. If I was Gehard I would probably take a step back to consult with my legal reps, where a new business is in development where a bunch of previous employees worked with Ableton and then copied a software system idea from the ground up. however with existing developers it's harder to prove any plagiarism.
I say this because it's been quieter than quiet in the Bitwig camp, and frankly you would have at least put out a few friendly reminders you still exist, if you were happy about your IP wouldn't you?
I have a feeling, they've been asked to answer some questions in a court of law, or that letters of intent may have been written.
It's just a thought but they must have been asked to prove their rationale and rights to the IP, I feel it could be a tight squeeze between working relationship and patent to be fair.
I do find the whole thing a bit to close to the edit. If I was Gehard I would probably take a step back to consult with my legal reps, where a new business is in development where a bunch of previous employees worked with Ableton and then copied a software system idea from the ground up. however with existing developers it's harder to prove any plagiarism.
I say this because it's been quieter than quiet in the Bitwig camp, and frankly you would have at least put out a few friendly reminders you still exist, if you were happy about your IP wouldn't you?
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- KVRAF
- 2429 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
if Ableton could sue Bitwig, then why didn't Steinberg sue Emagic or whoever they were, or Cakewalk, or ProTools, blah blah.
The 'classic' DAWs are all every bit as much alike one another as bitwig is like ableton, so why anyone thinks there are actual grounds for legal action in this matter is beyond me.
The 'classic' DAWs are all every bit as much alike one another as bitwig is like ableton, so why anyone thinks there are actual grounds for legal action in this matter is beyond me.
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- KVRAF
- 12083 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
It will depend on many things such as the individual employment contracts of the employees that left, patents and the amount of money Ableton can throw at lawyers (you don't have to be right, you just have to keep your competitor in court until they bankrupt)mholloway wrote:if Ableton could sue Bitwig, then why didn't Steinberg sue Emagic or whoever they were, or Cakewalk, or ProTools, blah blah.
The 'classic' DAWs are all every bit as much alike one another as bitwig is like ableton, so why anyone thinks there are actual grounds for legal action in this matter is beyond me.
To be honest, Ableton was original enough in concept to have some IP rights on, but the Abes would probably have grounds to say some of the development/ideas or even code was originated whilst the Bitwig people still worked at Ableton (that's what normally happens!!)
The reality is that Bitwig had what appeared to be a fully working product 8 months ago (from the videos), most new companies wold be taking discounted pre orders, open betas etc, the only reason a new company wold be almost invisible is legal action.
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- KVRian
- 750 posts since 30 Aug, 2011 from somewhere in universe
Haven't read the whole thread. Did anyone brought IP issue up?
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- KVRAF
- 13119 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10234 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
KVR would be a lot more informative and a lot more bland without the speculation.
I'm guessing they are quiet because they are working at max steam trying to get a solid July 11th reveal ready and are probably likely tired of all the whining of how terrible they are and they blew it that they see on the internets.
But it would be cold blooded for Ableton to wait years for Bitwig to near release date before springing a lawsuit against them... on the otherhand the news of bitwig studio has been so loud for a couple of years now that for Ableton to wait to sue could weaken it's case... if there is a case.. if there is a lawsuit... which none of us posting are aware either way.
ahh, yes... speculation..
I'm guessing they are quiet because they are working at max steam trying to get a solid July 11th reveal ready and are probably likely tired of all the whining of how terrible they are and they blew it that they see on the internets.
But it would be cold blooded for Ableton to wait years for Bitwig to near release date before springing a lawsuit against them... on the otherhand the news of bitwig studio has been so loud for a couple of years now that for Ableton to wait to sue could weaken it's case... if there is a case.. if there is a lawsuit... which none of us posting are aware either way.
ahh, yes... speculation..