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androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:07 am

My dubstep sounds are pretty sad. Commercial dubstep like Skrillex makes me feel alive. My dubstep just puts me in a trance. Is there a way to get those soaring to sharp pitch shifts smoothly mixing with what sounds like formant, bitcrush, buffer override, and granulation without having Massive, Reaktor, and a Kaos pad? I use Tracktion, so I have a modular environment.

I can't justify spending money on dubstep, as friends and family aren't as keen on it as I am. It also seems like it'd be hard to make the money back, as dubstep is posted all over the internet.

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:40 am

Ever heard of DUBTurbo?

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:52 am

These haven't been updated in a while, but if you're on PC (mac) you could get some use out of these: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 3318b18c7c

Truth be told, if you want the Massive sound, get Massive and be done with it (I messed around for ages trying to get by without it and ended up jest getting it eventually, was totally worth it).

Found this on YT as well (the guy doesn't really say much about what the synths do function wise, but you get the gist):

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:44 am

Nielzie wrote:Ever heard of DUBTurbo?

Will it give me fat beats and chicas?

GeorgeZ wrote:These haven't been updated in a while, but if you're on PC (mac) you could get some use out of these: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 3318b18c7c

Truth be told, if you want the Massive sound, get Massive and be done with it (I messed around for ages trying to get by without it and ended up jest getting it eventually, was totally worth it).

Found this on YT as well (the guy doesn't really say much about what the synths do function wise, but you get the gist):

I've been using Itchy mainly for the wub. It's all that other wonkiness I'm finding difficult to achieve.

In the comments for the Itchy demo song, someone asks "what did u use for the talking bass?". Dude replies, "Oh I just used Massive."

I can get the wub to talk by crushing it, but I can't get it to sound that solid. I'm thinking, like you probably did, there has to be an arrangement of effects that will mimic Massive.

So, I'm close with the bass, I just can't get the effects mix right for the rest of that stuff I mentioned. It's so hard to put into words.

BTW, what happened to KVR automatically embedding the video?

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:47 am

curve2 by cable guys (there's a CM version with CM magazine) and Synthmaster (CM version as well) on cheap

CM versions are capable and will give you DS essential sounds

easy programming, with cool control of LFOs and stuff

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:52 am

That's exactly the problem. With sample reduction you often loose a lot of bottom end. With Massive you're getting your vowel sound from skipping forward and backwards (and using some filtering) over the OSC waves.

BTW, you might want to look into FM as well. All the dubstep tracks on my SC uses FM (like seriously, nothing there, not one sound is Massive). This one's got a few low growls etc... all FM:

https://soundcloud.com/georgez/georgez-recitle

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:53 am

bronxsound wrote:curve2 by cable guys (there's a CM version with CM magazine) and Synthmaster (CM version as well) on cheap

CM versions are capable and will give you DS essential sounds

easy programming, with cool control of LFOs and stuff

I have the CM Curve. Do you know how to make it a sonic dubstep pallet?

I've been trying to use different set ups for different notes. There's so much variation in those solos. I would guess something like Kaos pad or Lemur is being used. Do you know how I can get something like that using only free software?

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:58 am

GeorgeZ wrote: BTW, you might want to look into FM as well

Oh yea, that's the other synth people say to buy. Nice job with the song. I can hear some of the sounds I wish to use. However, I'd like to be able to do this with freeware. It seems there should be some way to arrange and control effects for these sounds.

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:04 pm

Doing it with FX is possible, and yes, doing it with free ware is definitely also a go, but it'll take some experimentation

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:11 pm

GeorgeZ wrote:Doing it with FX is possible, and yes, doing it with free ware is definitely also a go, but it'll take some experimentation

I've got experiments everywhere. Once I get this down, I'll already have a 12" on the hard drive.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:18 pm

So, Massive + FM8 = $460 and Komplete = $500

Well, there's something to put on my new solid state computer...when I win the lottery and buy one. Let's see. I'm averaging about $10.00 a month thrifting. If I abstain, then in a few years... Actually, I could probably afford all that and a Galaxy Note 10.1 if I eBayed all the stuff I've thrifted. I tell my family it's life insurance.

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:25 pm

One thing that helps all basses sound more aggressive is a multiband distortion. I use the free MDA bandisto. Usually I slightly saturate the lows, and really distort the kids and highs. Then I give a slight boost to the volume of the lows and highs for some meatiness. There are good free FM synths around, like Oxe FM and FM four.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:32 pm

good news for you is that massive and fm8 are part of Komplete.

not being a dub step expert: fm and extensive lfo control matrix is what you need

however, sound is only part of DS i guess. FXing plays as same or even bigger role in this style. glitch, effectrifix, turnado, stutter edit, traktor 12 may be of big value in this case if you are too lazy do all the tricks by hand

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:43 pm

bronxsound wrote:good news for you is that massive and fm8 are part of Komplete.

not being a dub step expert: fm and extensive lfo control matrix is what you need

however, sound is only part of DS i guess. FXing plays as same or even bigger role in this style. glitch, effectrifix, turnado, stutter edit, traktor 12 may be of big value in this case if you are too lazy do all the tricks by hand

No, I'm not too lazy. I just need some instructions. Know where I can get some? The only instructions I can find are "Use a preset in Massive." I'm looking for a dubstep effects settings and routing tutorial.

I don't know if I'll ever understand FM synths, but I do understand modulation matrices. What do you suggest?

Maybe my previous posts weren't clear. I don't have Komplete, Massive, nor FM8.

BTW, Bing has just hijacked my browser again. Microsoft is a virus. I think I got it last night looking for Heizenbox suggested in this thread http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176063 . Don't go to the Heizenbox site. It's no longer legit. Anyway, this thread from 2007 is about the "leaving the Matrix" sound. I had no idea what dubstep was then, but that's a sound I'd still like to achieve for dubstep.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:22 pm

Check out dubspot's youtube channel. Lots of dubstep "how to" tutorials.

Freeware dubstep set up?