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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:14 pm

I'm also pretty sure it is valid for download products too. Gonna check for evidences!

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:16 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I am not so sure it only applies to physical products. Most European companies seem to charge VAT, for instance U-he. I can't imagine they are all doing it illegally to rip people off.

If they do, then they seem to absorb it into the final cost better.

But as I pointed out, if you look at the prices before sales, they actually charge more to their Euro customers for the same product. So I officially retract my statement they don't like American currency as much.

Still, their idea of a sale is nothing more than a cents off coupon in the States. And if they gave us the same discount as they do their own continent, then it would be a deal I would jump on.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:19 pm

BBFG# wrote:VAT is for physical products in shipping. Doesn't apply to downloads. The other Euro companies I've dealt with all have a unilateral pricing schedule and the only change in pricing is in the conversion from Euros to Dollars.

This is wrong. I have paid VAT for many download products and also the price of the U-He products (e.g. 179$ for Diva) are without VAT but they add it later at checkout.

You should not forget that Tone2 is a german company (like U-He and NI) and they have to pay VAT to the fiscal authorities.

Ingo

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Ya, Steinberg also charges 19% VAT on their download products. It is included in the price from the beginning though. I guess that also explains the higher overall prices in €.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:31 pm

Ingonator wrote:
BBFG# wrote:VAT is for physical products in shipping. Doesn't apply to downloads. The other Euro companies I've dealt with all have a unilateral pricing schedule and the only change in pricing is in the conversion from Euros to Dollars.
This is wrong. I have paid VAT for many download products and also the price of the U-He products (e.g. 179$ for Diva) are without VAT but they add it later at checkout.
Ingo

Again, I will concede this point if it helps to get a focus on the totality being skewed to reflect a different math for different continents. As I said, the other companies I've dealt with have one pricing whether it be in euros or dollars, I have often paid in euros and see an accurate conversion on my billing. But it is in the math of sales that always prove to be the one thing you can never take for granted.

So if you give a set of customers a discount of $51.50 off a product, then I expect the same consideration. That's all.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:15 pm

August is on Thursday, so will the Firbird then run from it's cage and fly free

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:19 pm

Numanoid wrote:August is on Thursday, so will the Firbird then run from it's cage and fly free

So what you're saying is start preparing the OSC track now

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:46 pm

Yup, va va voooom

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:02 pm

Ingonator wrote: "In about 2 months from now, our renowned Firebird+ plugin will go freeware!

Firebird is a great synth and is a great find.

Very useable synth...

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:25 pm

Wow! The demo sounds great!

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:15 pm

[Double Post]

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:16 pm

Numanoid wrote:August is on Thursday, so will the Firbird then run from it's cage and fly free

August 21 would be exactly two months from the announcement. Can't wait till then...

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:36 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:
Numanoid wrote:August is on Thursday, so will the Firbird then run from it's cage and fly free
So what you're saying is start preparing the OSC track now

That's cool in a way, but not fair to others. Some have it right now (actually I do) and could start a song...getting extra time to work on it. But others would have to wait would get it free, then just have the normal 30 days for the OSC to finish a song.

U-o · Post by **U-o** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:28 pm

It's time to catch the FireBird!

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:42 am

Ingonator wrote:
BBFG# wrote:VAT is for physical products in shipping. Doesn't apply to downloads. The other Euro companies I've dealt with all have a unilateral pricing schedule and the only change in pricing is in the conversion from Euros to Dollars.
This is wrong. I have paid VAT for many download products and also the price of the U-He products (e.g. 179$ for Diva) are without VAT but they add it later at checkout.

You should not forget that Tone2 is a german company (like U-He and NI) and they have to pay VAT to the fiscal authorities.

Ingo

Yes very wrong. I believe there are only 2 euro countries that don't apply vat to digital downloads. I did some investigating a while back. It is possible to avoid the tax in quite a few cases. I won't reveal how but it really doesn't need much thinking about.

Tone2 Firebird+ is freeware (download available now)