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djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:24 am

With the lack of classic sounding romplers available, I'm thinking that Zebra might actually be a good candidate. Does anyone know there's a GM sound set available?

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:33 am

not really, there are some good emulations across several free and commercial sound sets so far...

I have a plan to do some/most/(all if possible) but I always wait for the big Zebra update...

you can start with some electric pianos

...
http://3ee-sounddesign.blogspot.com/201 ... oards.html

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:39 am

Hehehe, I always found that GM was a standard that was tailored for limitations of workflows in hardware synths, i.e. it was a reliable way to find sounds when you can't browse preset directories visually. I'm always amazed when I open a modern DAW and they have pre-defined names for MIDI Program Changes.

I guess it still makes sense then

The first thing that comes to my mind are Presets 01 and 02 though, which are the pianos. If we can agree on a compromise for those then the rest may be doable.

Maybe we should create a project out of this...

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:49 am

I often thought about a collection of general purpose instruments for Zebra. This would be a really cool project

The GM drumsets would of course be hard to realize. Not the sounds themselves, but fitting them all into one patch.
There are some really good pianos in Michael Kastrups "Hybrids" soundbank by the way

Cheers
Dennis

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:59 am

What synth were the original GM synth sounds (Goblins etc) made with?

hollo · Post by **hollo** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:43 am

aMUSEd wrote:What synth were the original GM synth sounds (Goblins etc) made with?

Not the Original but one of the first useful was Roland Sound Canvas, and any
Yamaha from the 90'

It's not so easy to get the right balance with the presets, i remember when E-MU
Made some 8 mega GM set and it was terrible unbalanced compared with the
small Canvas GM set.

coquillo · Post by **coquillo** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:48 am

The main point of GM sound sets is that they are multi-timbral, isn't it?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:56 am

hollo wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:What synth were the original GM synth sounds (Goblins etc) made with?
Not the Original but one of the first useful was Roland Sound Canvas, and any
Yamaha from the 90'

Yeah that's not what I meant. I presume the originals came from a synth rather than a rompler - just wondered what that was.

hollo · Post by **hollo** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:13 am

aMUSEd wrote:
hollo wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:What synth were the original GM synth sounds (Goblins etc) made with?
Not the Original but one of the first useful was Roland Sound Canvas, and any
Yamaha from the 90'
Yeah that's not what I meant. I presume the originals came from a synth rather than a rompler - just wondered what that was.

I guess it was already PCM based, also
Must be multitimbral on all 16 channels -
So it was shortly after the Korg M1 like
Roland U-110.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:15 am

hollo wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
hollo wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:What synth were the original GM synth sounds (Goblins etc) made with?
Not the Original but one of the first useful was Roland Sound Canvas, and any
Yamaha from the 90'
Yeah that's not what I meant. I presume the originals came from a synth rather than a rompler - just wondered what that was.
I guess it was already PCM based, also
Must be multitimbral on all 16 channels -
So it was shortly after the Korg M1 like
Roland U-110.

But the PCM samples themselves must have been synthesised?

hollo · Post by **hollo** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:31 am

It's a link for Wiki with all about GM, all the
Patch names.
http://stuff.gpul.org/2007_jornadas/doc ... l_MIDI.htm

Cheers

crisis-at-music · Post by **crisis-at-music** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:37 am

You don't really understand what aMUSEd wants to know.

He does not want to no any patchnames. He wants to know how the samples of the very first GM device (which seems to be a Roland one) were made. Of course they had to be synthesized somehow. I did a quick google search but unfortunately with no result.

DavidEkl · Post by **DavidEkl** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:41 am

Hollo beat me to it, here's a list of patchnames etc..
http://www.midi.org/techspecs/gm1sound.php
At the very top it states that each manufactor is responsible for their own soundset, so no "The GM soundset is sampled from a Yamaha XYZ ca. 19xx"

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:54 am

crisis-at-music wrote:You don't really understand what aMUSEd wants to know.
He does not want to no any patchnames. He wants to know how the samples of the very first GM device (which seems to be a Roland one) were made. Of course they had to be synthesized somehow. I did a quick google search but unfortunately with no result.

Yeah I have tried searching myself. From the sound presumably patches like the Goblin one came from analog gear originally but I'd like to know how these were made and what with (and this also might help in synthesising fresh versions in Zebra).

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:05 am

I suspect Goblin, Brightness, Atmosphere, Soundtrack, Crystal, etc. were all done on D-50 or something. Just a shot in the dark.

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KVR Audio

Zebra GM Sound set?