What are the best things about Reason 7

[joeinternet327]

If they added VST support for Reason 8 as an "option", who here would not add it in ? I mean yea Reason is what it is and people are happy with the current state. How in the world would this add on make Reason "less" fun to use? I love the thing even if I didnt upgrade on the last one, but are you really telling me that if it was an added option on the next version (like the audio recording part was) you would not add or use it?

Really:?:

Prior to Reason 7, if you mentioned VST(i) on the PUF, people had nothing to say except how they're total shit.

Once R7 was released with MIDI out, everybody and their cousin wants to know how to configure audio & MIDI loopback to use VST(i) with Reason.

People bitch and moan about how VSTs wouldn't fit Reason because "pop-up window", but they love the spectrum EQ which works via a pop-up window...

ymmv...

[saturdaysaint]

I'm not against VST per se, but a lot of the appeal of Reason for me is that I can open any of my projects anywhere and never have to give a second thought to what operating system I'm on, what version of the OS I'm on, whether I'm running in 32 or 64 bit mode, etc. Projects I haven't touched in years open without complaint. And the possibility of Reason crashing never even occurs to me - even on ".0" versions. Reason is basically zero maintenance.

Is it technically possible to have all that and VST? Sure (well, aside from plugin compatibility worries), but I don't think it's a coincidence that the most closed DAW is still the stablest - it takes a bit of control freakishness to maintain the stability and forward compatibility that Props have maintained for a decade plus. I see a lot of finger-pointing when VST hosts crash. The devs and forumites immediately (and correctly) ask what plugins the person was running. With a more or less closed system, there are no excuses.

Hey, I'd love to be proven wrong and use Synth Squad, Arturia, etc. in the Rack. VST has some huge advantages (CPU usage, variety) and there are some great VST hosts that give Reason a run for its money in many respects. But I'd rather see creative new Props devices and enhancements to the sequencer, Rack, and Rack Extension SDK.

[spikey]

Well saturday I don't believe that a "working" VST plugin is what makes the DAW software or the OS platform unstable... It may not load itself and it may halt the process if its corrupt, but thats a whole nother thing (and NOT the OS or hosts fault usually), just as it would not be Reason's fault if it crashed because of faulty vst add-on. But thanks for your input. I think that for some strange reason there is a mindset among us musicians that forbids change in anything once setup a certain way. Sometimes that good, and other times it isn't. In fact sometimes its akin to close-mindedness, and Im thinking that this is one of those times... Im glad gravity and physics works out that way for us , but not on our options pool... More options the better....


But, no one "else" answered my question besides you, even if its a moot point atm.

If VST usage was a checkable option added inside Reason, would you use VST's in it then?

I would wager more would than wouldn't....

[MadPsyance]

Have they made these changes yet?

1) change the darkness of grid lines so sixteenth, eighth, quarter notes are distinguishable from each other

2) midi loop record to create different takes

Would upgrade, I'm sick of using rewiring to studio one

[mobetta]

[quote="MadPsyance"]Have they made these changes yet?

1) change the darkness of grid lines so sixteenth, eighth, quarter notes are distinguishable from each other

This is my number one request, it is frustrating to do hi hat rolls and such
without appropriate grid lines.

Reason workflow is sick though, punchiness of sound to me sets it apart.
I wish they would do better rack extensions though, most seem to be either synth-based or some kind of effects. why not a guitar expansion, orchestral, drum loop expansion, best of emu, etc..

[chk071]

Didn't want to open a new thread... but i'm wondering a bit at the moment about the amount of Reason licenses sold on the KVR market place forum. What is it that makes so many people sell their licenses? Getting bored of it? Getting into other VST compatible hosts? Or maybe just tired of the "island" system?

[memyselfandus]

Have they made these changes yet?

1) change the darkness of grid lines so sixteenth, eighth, quarter notes are distinguishable from each other

This is my number one request, it is frustrating to do hi hat rolls and such
without appropriate grid lines.

Reason workflow is sick though, punchiness of sound to me sets it apart.
I wish they would do better rack extensions though, most seem to be either synth-based or some kind of effects. why not a guitar expansion, orchestral, drum loop expansion, best of emu, etc..

+1,000

[memyselfandus]

Didn't want to open a new thread... but i'm wondering a bit at the moment about the amount of Reason licenses sold on the KVR market place forum. What is it that makes so many people sell their licenses? Getting bored of it? Getting into other VST compatible hosts? Or maybe just tired of the "island" system?

I see the same thing with all the other daws also. most of us here on kvr are daw crazy....

[ezelkow1]

Didn't want to open a new thread... but i'm wondering a bit at the moment about the amount of Reason licenses sold on the KVR market place forum. What is it that makes so many people sell their licenses? Getting bored of it? Getting into other VST compatible hosts? Or maybe just tired of the "island" system?

I see the same thing with all the other daws also. most of us here on kvr are daw crazy....

I think this also feeds into it even more specifically here. Since most people here probably have more than one daw there probably arent many reason only users on kvr. Most probably rewire into other hosts and use reason for it sounds/workflow/whatever. At that point it becomes like any other vst as far as how tied to it you are, and if someone doesnt see themselves using it that often its alot easier to let go then if it was their main daw

[kae]

Have they made these changes yet?

1) change the darkness of grid lines so sixteenth, eighth, quarter notes are distinguishable from each other

This is my number one request, it is frustrating to do hi hat rolls and such
without appropriate grid lines.

Reason workflow is sick though, punchiness of sound to me sets it apart.
I wish they would do better rack extensions though, most seem to be either synth-based or some kind of effects. why not a guitar expansion, orchestral, drum loop expansion, best of emu, etc..

Since this thread is already revived I might as well answer this too.
The Rack Extension SDK is really limited so most of the really exciting VST plugins is practically impossible to recreate as RE's. When the SDK get more mature I bet we'll see more exciting RE's as well. Unfortunately, the SDK is updated in Propellerhead tempo, meaning not very fast. I guess it will have the PH stability as well, so the slow development is not only a bad thing. But Reason is in desperate need of PDC. Using extensions with different latency will be/is a total mess until PDC is in place.

[Tronam]

Im hoping that the best thing about Reason 7 will be the addition of VSTs in Reason 8. Some may not want that. So be it. It would sure be "the" host to use at that point, even for those who say its not needed... And no, I didn't upgrade this time...

This discussion is as old as the hills. The fact that Propellerhead have gone through the trouble of spending 5 years to develop their own plugin standard from scratch should be the biggest clue of all to the likelihood of VST support. The stability argument is really just window dressing. I think the real truth, beyond control and clashing design philosophies, is that very few companies want to be beholden to a competitor's proprietary plugin standard. The classic "big 3" (i.e. ProTools, Logic and Cubase) only support their own standards (AAX/VST/AU) and I can think of numerous reasons why. One of the most obvious is future development. What if the Props wanted to enhance the VST standard to support a feature unique to Reason or expand its capabilities for everyone else? Sorry. Only Steinberg has control over its future evolution, feature set, bug fixing, optimization etc... and their track record on VST development is downright glacial, even by Propellerhead standards. With REs they have complete freedom to develop it any way they wish without being hindered by anyone else. They also recognize that without a plugin standard that fully supports Reason's modular audio/CV environment and rack metaphor, its distinctiveness could become diluted. Say what you will about Reason, but it's unique and those quirky clever Swedes intend to keep it that way.

[tonkatodd]

I wouldn't care so much about direct VST support in Reason if it could be a Rewire host then I would just rewire in Reaper or Renoise.

[keyman_sam]

1). Stability. Try crashing reason.

2). Pitch correction

3). Some good presets.

As others mentioned - low maintenance, project compatibility (everything contained in one file).

Best thing about R7 in a nutshell - MIDI out (==VST), more presets, comping, possibly Rack Extensions.

It's the closest thing you'll get to hardware.

[Tronam]

All of Reason 7's feature enhancements are useful and some were highly requested for years, but my personal favorites are the spectrum analyzer with EQ and audio transient slicing which now lets you quantize and time stretch them individually. Busing and parallel processing were always possible before, but there's no denying how dead simple they've made it in R7's SSL mixer. If you're upgrading from 6, then obviously Rack Extensions could potentially be a big deal as well. There's enough variety in the RE shop now to cover many bases that were more difficult to achieve previously in Reason alone and along with top class effects from devs like Softube and U-he, there are also some truly excellent synths like Antidote, Parsec, Predator, kHs One and others. Some pretty unique processors have also emerged which I haven't seen anywhere else. Consider Selig's The Curve (later renamed to Leveler):



Pretty clever and I've yet to find an equivalent plug-in VST land. Maybe you know of one?