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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:31 pm

raikard233 wrote:I think that the more rewarding thing making EDM is to spend hours finding "that unusual sound" than using the mo*th*r*uck*r supersaw...

Alternatively, use the futhermucking supersaw as a building block to make "that unusual sound" (surely they're capable of more than the cliched trance lead).

raikard233 · Post by **raikard233** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:38 pm

hakey wrote:
raikard233 wrote:I think that the more rewarding thing making EDM is to spend hours finding "that unusual sound" than using the mo*th*r*uck*r supersaw...
Alternatively, use the futhermucking supersaw as a building block to make "that unusual sound" (surely they're capable of more than the cliched trance lead).

No Hakey, on this topic i'm worst than any extremist/m!

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Offtopic

Hmmm. It looks like Spire synth is done by Russian Devs. I see Zodiak - Zodiak (1980 Melodia Records) Rework on their soundcloud. God, I like orginial track so much. Reminds me about my school years.

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:42 pm

pdxindy wrote:In the meanwhile, there is Spire...

Spire is indeed fantastic, nails that 90s hardware VA sound. But zebra can do so much more. I think lately the SS has become a basis for sounds more than a sound in itself, and zebra is better for that kind of thing. Also I'm fully addicted to zebra's "only what you need but as much as you need" workflow and think anything more complex than an SH-101 should have it! :p

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:30 pm

3*s wrote:
pdxindy wrote:In the meanwhile, there is Spire...
Spire is indeed fantastic, nails that 90s hardware VA sound. But zebra can do so much more. I think lately the SS has become a basis for sounds more than a sound in itself, and zebra is better for that kind of thing. Also I'm fully addicted to zebra's "only what you need but as much as you need" workflow and think anything more complex than an SH-101 should have it! :p

There is no question I would rather have Zebra than Spire... Just the SuperSaw is not Zebra's forte...

trance_lucent · Post by **trance_lucent** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:08 am

Urs wrote:If we wanted to we could have done a similar synth years ago - yet we didn't. Even though the idea of a u-he style EDM synth sounds increasingly tempting.

Why? I can't understand that.

Zebra already is extremely good EDM synth. To make it perfect is just to improve some features: oscillators stacking (I mean this 2x-4x-11x mode), FM capabilities (I am dreaming about modulating harmonically rich waveforms), waveshaping/distortion. And also I am dreaming about global unison mode - that is able to multiply the whole sound scheme. Because waveshaped supersaw sounds different to ((4xsaw)->distortion)x4voices.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:42 am

trance_lucent wrote:Why?

Because there's a market for simpler synths?

trance_lucent · Post by **trance_lucent** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:28 am

hakey wrote:
trance_lucent wrote:Why?
Because there's a market for simpler synths?

What synth can be simpler than Zebra? It is just oscillator and filter if you want. Or just oscillator.
Seriously, the Tyrell was much harder for me to start design sounds with than Zebra. When dirst tryed Zebra, I was able to design sound in the first minute with modulation and other things. And in Tyrell it was longer.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:48 am

trance_lucent wrote:
hakey wrote:
trance_lucent wrote:Why?
Because there's a market for simpler synths?
What synth can be simpler than Zebra?

I've always thought the same, but d'oh... many people feel intimidated by Zebra...

I get you about the oscillator stacking choices (number, panning, detuning) and FM capabilities. We'll do something about that in Z3. A lot of it.

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In regards to a dedicated supersaw synth, this wouldn't cost us much time to do. We could reuse some blocks from our battery of existing algorithms, tweak them to purpose and get someone to design a compelling GUI. In fact we have a well thought out concept for something like this in our drawer. We just need free spots in our pipeline, i.e. get our external freelancers to do some designs.

We only ever have roadmap issues when circumstances bind Clemens or myself, and now also Sascha. New plug-in formats, new platforms, new installers, new system requirements, new employees and freelancers and all that are things that slow us down, albeit only temporarily. Designing a supersaw synth not so much, and it would be fun.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:57 am

trance_lucent wrote:What synth can be simpler than Zebra?

A synth with a basic feature set, fixed architecture and all parameters visible on one page. Synth1, for example.

[Zebra] is just oscillator and filter if you want. Or just oscillator.

more options = more decisons = greater complexity

And even with a single Zebra oscillator one cannot see all parameters at once.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:20 pm

trance_lucent wrote:
hakey wrote:
trance_lucent wrote:Why?
Because there's a market for simpler synths?
What synth can be simpler than Zebra? It is just oscillator and filter if you want. Or just oscillator.
Seriously, the Tyrell was much harder for me to start design sounds with than Zebra. When dirst tryed Zebra, I was able to design sound in the first minute with modulation and other things. And in Tyrell it was longer.

I love Zebra, but it is not so simple... A simple synth has an option on the Osc with Sine, Saw, Tri, Square, etc... Picking a basic waveform is not so simple in Zebra.

turbinn · Post by **turbinn** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:58 pm

Does Zebra Have a Random Button Like Tone 2's Firebird vst? If not that would be a great addition to have a ulimited amount of pressing the random button and ur lfos and oscs and delays etc and all randomized . !! if it doesnt already
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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:39 pm

turbinn wrote:Does Zebra Have a Random Button Like Tone 2's Firebird vst? If not that would be a great addition to have a ulimited amount of pressing the random button and ur lfos and oscs and delays etc and all randomized . !! if it doesnt already
/?

There's a randomizer preset here: http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/all.html

Just load again and again and again

turbinn · Post by **turbinn** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:45 am

URS U ARE A GOD !!!

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LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:47 am

hakey wrote:
trance_lucent wrote:What synth can be simpler than Zebra?
A synth with a basic feature set, fixed architecture and all parameters visible on one page. Synth1, for example.
[Zebra] is just oscillator and filter if you want. Or just oscillator.

more options = more decisons = greater complexity

And even with a single Zebra oscillator one cannot see all parameters at once.

Erm.. That's Diva. Don't try to fit Zebra into that paradigm. Zebra is semi modular with heavy routing and modulation capabillaties, ideal for almost endless sounddesign. Just as intended. And that is exactly what people praise it for.

Why should it be something else? You need something else than Zebra? Get something else. You can not change the stripes on a Zebra.

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