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spirit · Post by **spirit** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:19 pm

+1

Totally agree with you Tom. Ads really lower the quality of life and I try to block them wherever I can. It's amazing how just this simple act can improve your life. I haven't listened to commercial radio or watched commercial TV in many years either.

I can handle a few ads on websites, but I hate it when a site starts to looks like a casino site with loads of blinking rubbish.

Anyway, I note that some of the colors are now less garish here, although the nav is still all over the place. The page really lacks a focus. What's meant to be the primary navigation? I've no idea.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:38 pm

Just one last point: I am not totally against advertisements. Not at all.
If I visit for instance a site like Rekkerd.org, I don't mind the ads since they are part of the whole thing, are limited in annoyingness, and I actually visit the site to learn about new stuff, so the ads are in context of what I want or look for at that moment.

Same when I went to the Musikmesse in Frankfurt this year: I actually enjoyed how each company tries to come up with something interesting. That is a place were this stuff belongs and where it makes sense.

I also wouldn't mind ads in the marketplace here on KVR.

If on the other hand I go to a newspaper page and try to read longer articles about what's going on in the world, ads not only make it hard to concentrate, they often put a garish light on what's in the news.
"50 dead in suicide bombing" - "Try our new barbecue sauce"...

There are places were ads work and places were - for me - they are doing harm.

I feel entitled to decide that for myself.

Cheers,

Tom

risome · Post by **risome** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Looks good to me

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:32 pm

spirit wrote:+1

Ads really lower the quality of life and I try to block them wherever I can.

Oh how great your mind is! lol

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:14 pm

The site needs ads to survive. There are other forums that hide ads for members that pay a small annual subscription fee. Other minor benefits to members could be offered like custom titles. It would be a nice option to have here. Although I'm sure most people wouldn't pay.

There is funny double standard with images on the site. The rules for avatars are strict. They must be safe for work, non-pornographic, not offensive, etc. because this is a professional audio forum. At the same time, there is a video game ad running now with an animated, large-breasted micro-bikini babe that says, "Your body is my party. Click to begin." It's not the kind of image you want on your screen when the boss walks by.

ThomasHelzle wrote: I was just sitting in the sun in the park, watching ducks and butterflies. No ads there. Thanks God for that.

You've given me a great idea! Genetically engineered butterflies that display ads on their wings. Off to my laboratory now to start splicing genes.

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:05 pm

Frantz wrote:The site needs ads to survive.

But some people are just not too content to see them.

I've made another Stylish stylesheet, the advertiser-friendly KvR ad remover. Instead of just not loading the ads, it hides them, so KvR's advertisers are still happy.

If I'm really bored out of my skull anytime soon, I'll set up my Raspberry Pi to automatically click on an ad every now and then

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:20 pm

Lower quality of life, and not too content. Wow.

Would you be content, and have a higher quality of life without KVR?

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:32 pm

farlukar wrote: If I'm really bored out of my skull anytime soon, I'll set up my Raspberry Pi to
automatically click on an ad every now and then

You're probably joking but please don't do this. It would ultimately hurt KVR.

There are sophisticated algorithms to detect fake clicks. They analyze the clicker's ip address and frequency of the clicks. I think they also occasionally run invisible 1 pixel ads that people can't see. If it is clicked, it's click fraud.

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:22 pm

BMoore wrote:not too content. Wow.

If I buy stuff, it's not because of an advert, it's because I've done research all over the place. I'm just not interested in seeing ads, and I won't click them. How hard to understand is that?
So I've devised a way to not see the ads (that I'm not interested in and not going to be clicking anyway) whilst they're strictly technically still being displayed, instead of outright blocking them, and you're giving me a hard time about it. Yay you, I guess.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:32 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:If on the other hand I go to a newspaper page and try to read longer articles about what's going on in the world, ads not only make it hard to concentrate, they often put a garish light on what's in the news.
"50 dead in suicide bombing" - "Try our new barbecue sauce"...

That's why I don't buy newspapers any more. And mainly because I've seen - as a freelancer journalist - that the choice of news is highly subjective. When there's a car crash in the next village, it's in the newspaper, when 10 people are dying in China in a burning farm, it's not reported...

And since many years I don't have TV, either, and maybe I listen to mainstream on-air radio one time every 3 months or so...

But back to KVR, if you would block all sale announcements & advertisements, there wouldn't be much left over - even in the forum are mainly advertisements & announcements for plugins...

I don't have any kind of ad blocker. I'm more disturbed by flies than by advertisements...I HATE FLIES!

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:57 am

farlukar wrote:
Frantz wrote:The site needs ads to survive.
But some people are just not too content to see them.

I've made another Stylish stylesheet, the advertiser-friendly KvR ad remover. Instead of just not loading the ads, it hides them, so KvR's advertisers are still happy.

Thank you - I'll see if I can install this at work as well.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:39 am

One ad in particular that pissed me off was the one with the cartoony looking guys/gals? Since I run with ad block now, I don't know what the current fare is but I also have to run ad block to keep the constant obama ads in my emails. So, it's SOL for kvr ads regardless.

toothnclaw · Post by **toothnclaw** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:49 am

Frantz wrote:
farlukar wrote: If I'm really bored out of my skull anytime soon, I'll set up my Raspberry Pi to
automatically click on an ad every now and then
You're probably joking but please don't do this. It would ultimately hurt KVR.

There are sophisticated algorithms to detect fake clicks. They analyze the clicker's ip address and frequency of the clicks. I think they also occasionally run invisible 1 pixel ads that people can't see. If it is clicked, it's click fraud.

Oh, advertising with a 1 pixel ad is not a fraud, but clicking on a 1 pixel ad is?! What are they going to do - sue him, send him to jail? And how is this going to hurt kvr, if they analyze IP addresses (please don't tell me this is NOT spying) and see kvr is not complicit with the fake clicks? And if it really does hurt kvr, they fully desereve it, IMO, because they allow such 1 pixel ads and IP scanning, which ultimately hurts their users, plus show too many ads.

What am I getting wrong here!!!

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:22 pm

farlukar wrote:
Frantz wrote:The site needs ads to survive.
But some people are just not too content to see them.

I've made another Stylish stylesheet, the advertiser-friendly KvR ad remover. Instead of just not loading the ads, it hides them, so KvR's advertisers are still happy.

How do you make this work? Stylish is now installed, but all the ads are still here.

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:12 pm

so, did all of our PM's get deleted when we started this new my KVR thing? Because I had a bunch of PM's that went away when I switched over that I would have done a better job of archiving had I known their exitence was threatened by the format change

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