Tone2 Firebird going Freeware

[BBFG#]

The only intrusive protection I've yet to see always has PACE/iLok as its source. After reading one of these negative Tone2 things I have checked my system usage and can't find anything associated with Tone2 as it being negative or intrusive. On the contrary, a very solid system that works quite well.

But to be fair, I do only have the demos loaded up and my only gripe has been been that they never have a sale making them a no-brainer-impossible-to-pass-up purchase! Most demos I end up unistalling after trying them awhile. (Including Firebird). But the two Tone2 synth demos I leave on, I just have too much fun playing. Just can't get past the price point to make the leap. Especially for two of them (Glad2 & RayB).

This is a nice gesture on their part to make this freeware, and I have it loaded up again now, but I'm really hoping for a super sale for the ones that are the better fit for me.

[streifentier]

"Dear potential customer, it's not that we think you've stolen some of our stuff, but we think you may have stolen some of our stuff. We're hiding this in the EULA (which we know that few people read), because we have half an idea that accusing potential customers of being potential thieves might not be a such a good idea. Though this might seem like a deliberate attempt to deceive, we can assure that it's all legal and above board."

Well, but if they DO tell it in the EULA, it means that they don't do it secretly (whatever they do). And that is quite an important difference.

And to read the idea of "accusing potential customers" into it is an excessive exaggeration. In that sense every copy protection can be viewed as such an accusation, but it's obviously not meant to be one. You wouldn't say that a bank accuses their customers of being potential robbers because they have cameras running? Probably not. They do it because a robber "might" come along.

If you do any of these things

whataboutery

True, but what's your point? If people complain here and are completely careless there, I think they haven't thought their point of view through. That's all I wanted to say.

[hakey]

if they DO tell it in the EULA, it means that they don't do it secretly (whatever they do). And that is quite an important difference.

Deliberately hiding stuff in the small print (because you know most people won't read it) may be legal, but it's still deception. And that's an important difference.

[beltrom]

Too bad. I'm with zombie queen. Maybe paranoid (like Tone2?).
Removed.

Shame, it's a really nice synth (and I mean that)...

[The Al1en]

Tone 2 in dodgy copy protection shock. Did you really expect anything else?

They use to say beware of greeks bearing gifts http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bewa ... gifts.html

Guess it's now Germans giving software and you get what you pay for... Even if it's free.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_get_what_you_pay_for

Some times you do just have to look the gift horse in the mouth and say get f**ked, red rum.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dont ... mouth.html

[BBFG#]

Seems like the only people that would be enraged by such actions are the ones that use or want to use illegal Tone2 software. And since all they are doing is telling us who they are in their attacks on what is now a well known policy by these threads (above and beyond the print in EULA). Why argue with them? Instead we should thank them for identifying themselves as the very people Tone2 wishes to protect themself from. The deception revealed, is only theirs, not Tone2.

[streifentier]

if they DO tell it in the EULA, it means that they don't do it secretly (whatever they do). And that is quite an important difference.

Deliberately hiding stuff in the small print (because you know most people won't read it) may be legal, but it's still deception. And that's an important difference.

I know that and admittedly you are partly right. In Germany there's a legal rule to the effect that surprising clauses in the small print are not effective, exactly because of this point: Because no-one ever reads it. Let's say both arguments are 50% right. Completely hiding that information would be worse, saying it in a more obvious way would be better. But then, I haven't seen many companies tell you many things about what their copy protection does. By the way, the itunes installer takes very very long to install. I really wonder what it does. Must be quite a lot. Don't know if there's anything about it in the license agreement, as I've never read through it.

[beltrom]

Seems like the only people that would be enraged by such actions are the ones that use or want to use illegal Tone2 software.

I'd love to live in such a simple world...
Not that I'm enraged, more sad really.

[The Al1en]

Seems like the only people that would be enraged by such actions are the ones that use or want to use illegal Tone2 software.

I'd love to live in such a simple world...
Not that I'm enraged, more sad really.

Indeed, imagine being a straight white male and not being allowed to oppose racism, sexism and homophobia.

[Zombie Queen]

Only blacklisted Tone2 keys are removed

Please define "keys". Key files? Registry entries? How do you find them without scanning other files?

I don't want to be an ass, but you need to understand. Being scanned, spied on, being checked for obedience from inside their private machines by growing number of entities, people get wary about this stuff.

[hakey]

You wouldn't say that a bank accuses their customers of being potential robbers because they have cameras running?

Cameras are passive, they're usually not hidden, a bank is private property, etc - not much in common with software hidden within an installer that sneakily searches through my hard drive without me having given my informed consent.

[BBFG#]

if they DO tell it in the EULA, it means that they don't do it secretly (whatever they do). And that is quite an important difference.

Deliberately hiding stuff in the small print (because you know most people won't read it) may be legal, but it's still deception. And that's an important difference.

The very fact that you post all this shows you're completely aware of it.
So either accept it or don't. It really is that simple.

[Numanoid]

Seems like the only people that would be enraged by such actions are the ones that use or want to use illegal Tone2 software.

To put this kind of logic in perspective: Seems the only people who don't like NSA got something to hide?

[xamido]

Cameras are passive, they're usually not hidden, a bank is private property, etc - not much in common with software hidden within an installer that sneakily searches through my hard drive without me having given my informed consent.

Lol, you need to press I accept the agreement before they scan your computer. You give permission due to your own ignorance.

[BBFG#]

Indeed, imagine being a straight white male and not being allowed to oppose racism, sexism and homophobia.

Not even close to the same thing, and you very well know it. Or at least you should, and would if your weren't fighting for the right to use illegal software. In your analogy you would be the straight white male supporting racism, sexism, homophobia even though there are laws are already written to denounce them. In those, it's enforcement that comes more in issue as it is with Tone2 policy.