KVR Audio

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:02 pm

chk071 wrote:Wow, when did this thread turn so off-topic? I hope mods clear this soon, as this thread is clearly supposed to be about the Firbird freebie from Tone2, and not about copy protection bullshit.

The discussion here about Tone2 using this freebie as a Trojan horse to install intrusive software without users granting their full informed consent is very much on topic, imo.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:04 pm

hakey wrote: The discussion here about Tone2 using this freebie as a Trojan horse to install intrusive software without users granting their full informed consent is very much on topic, imo.

Hm, did i miss something? Do you have proof that that is so?

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:04 pm

Yeah, i'm guilty for derailing the thread too.

At the end of the day Thank You for tone2 for making this synth a freeware. I understand the necessity for protecting your IP, and i don't think this is as crazy as C/R or dongle in term of treating paying customer like a criminal, always handcuffed by the copy protection.

The Al1en wrote: For the record... You're also guilty of being an idiot half wit, with a little bit of a malicious streak, prone to making unfounded accusations.

The Al1en wrote: No offense, or take as much as you like - You're an idiot.

The Al1en wrote:
And you must be the idiot's apprentice

The Al1en wrote:
Lower than most, I suspect, but how about you show me where I've fought for the right to use illegal software.

When you can't, idiot, you know what to do.

The Al1en · Post by **The Al1en** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:08 pm

xamido wrote:Yeah, i'm guilty for derailing the thread too.

At the end of the day Thank You for tone2 for making this synth a freeware. I understand the necessity for protecting your IP, and i don't think this is as crazy as C/R or dongle in term of treating paying customer like a criminal, always handcuffed by the copy protection.

For the record... You're also guilty of being an idiot half wit, with a little bit of a malicious streak, prone to making unfounded accusations.

streifentier · Post by **streifentier** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:10 pm

Ingonator wrote: As i am repeating myself i think it's best for me to stop now.
Ingo

Probably a clever move, I'll do the same. This thread has moved on, starting from "Firebird going free", stopping at "Tone2's copy protection is intrusive", and going on to "You are a pirate! vs. You are an idiot!" and at the moment culminating in "You probably have something to hide because you don't have a web page linked to your KVR account" which is obviously meant as irony, but very prone to be taken seriously by somebody very soon.

I fear that I have contributed to this nonsense and apologize to anyone who's interested, which is probably no-one.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:11 pm

Hakey, if you mean this: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 39#5455239 that is no trojan horse... i'm still surprised they feel the need to implement that in a freebie. Sucks, agreed.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:11 pm

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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:15 pm

chk071 wrote:that is no trojan horse...

Sorry, a Trojan horse in the everyday sense - Greeks bearing gifts type of thing.

The Al1en · Post by **The Al1en** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:16 pm

streifentier wrote: going on to "You are a pirate! vs. You are an idiot!"

To be fair, being 100% legit, I clearly won that one.

streifentier wrote: and at the moment culminating in "You probably have something to hide because you don't have a web page linked to your KVR account" which is obviously meant as irony, but very prone to be taken seriously by somebody very soon.

More an example of how silly the argument can get if you dumb down far enough.
But like the pro tone 2 scan boys (see what I did there?) say, if you've nothing to fear etc...

streifentier wrote:which is probably no-one.

My fan base.

The Al1en · Post by **The Al1en** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:18 pm

Ingonator wrote: The biggest problem is that never a real proof (one that everyone could confirm as screenshots etc. of a single person could be faked) was posted for such claims in the past.

Team AiR did, but who would believe them over a reputable company like tone 2?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:22 pm

Well, nevermind my first post, this kind of has a bitter blow about this freebie... i have no idea why Tone2 feel the need to implement something like that in a FREEWARE. I mean they should embrace that people use their freeware, instead of spying on the people who do. F*** that.

The Al1en · Post by **The Al1en** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:22 pm

xamido, queen of the edits.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:26 pm

Ingonator wrote:hardly the same as installing a trojan

And the phrase 'Trojan horse', which has a long history of usage, is somewhat different to 'a trojan'.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:27 pm

hakey wrote:The discussion here about Tone2 using this freebie as a Trojan horse to install intrusive software without users granting their full informed consent is very much on topic, imo.

Now your are going way over the top here

Scanning and installing are different, no?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:30 pm

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Tone2 Firebird going Freeware