KVR Audio

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Well, at least this thread is getting an awful lot of free bumps

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:13 pm

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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:14 pm

Ingonator wrote:It's just sad and personally i already have bad feelings about the time when the new Nemesis synth will be discussed here at KVR (no ETA yet). The bad feeling is not related to the quality of Nemesis, that one is great (like the other Tone2 synths).

Cheer up, it might never happen

tomtoo · Post by **tomtoo** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:19 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Well, at least this thread is getting an awful lot of free bumps
Having experiences from several other Tone2 threads that developed the same way in the past i could not really laugh about this at the moment, sorry..

It's just sad and personally i already have bad feelings about the time when the new Nemesis synth will be discussed here at KVR (no ETA yet). The bad feeling is not related to the quality of Nemesis, that one is great (like the other Tone2 synths).

Ingo

Hi dont know about other tone2 products. My budget is low.
But i dont get the reason. Why i should (only) remove black listed keys.
In a minute all is in the same stade. At least if they only remove the key.
Dont get me wrong. But this is a little strange for me.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:50 pm

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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:56 pm

I think he meant that bashing of the synth will never happen on KVR.

Well, don't know what to say really, usually i find this kind of bashing exaggerated too, but personally, i did not expect them to have an installer on a freeware synth, which checks invalid keys of the companies software on my computer.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:05 pm

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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:13 pm

Ingonator wrote: Why are you surprised the Firebird installer scans for illegal licenses too (like in the other Tone2 synths)?
Why do you care when all your software is legal or if you got no other Tone2 software installed?
This will not affect licenses from synths of other companies.

Exactly for one reason: This is a freeware synth, there is absolutely no frigging reason why it should search for illegal keys of the company on my computer. It is supposed to do what i downloaded it for: To make sounds. I didn't ask it to search my computer for keys. If i had wanted a software validation tool, i would have downloaded that.

Really, i think Tone2 should imagine another way to avoid piracy... other companies show how it is done without hassling their customers this much.

Albert.VST · Post by **Albert.VST** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:14 pm

I haven't been around much here in the past few months due to some (sad) reasons, but hey, how predictable it gets here. Hope for better, more informative discussions soon.

Zombie Queen · Post by **Zombie Queen** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:19 pm

Ingonator wrote:Why do you care when all your software is legal or if you got no other Tone2 software installed?

Because, humans are imperfect and they write imperfect software. A buggy synth will crash or make some noise, no biggie. What about a buggy file validator/eraser? Why should I believe it won't wipe out something more than intended?

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Ingonator wrote:...the installer just checks for illegal key files.

Actually it doesnt. Its the plugin that does the scanning.

And this seems to be the very problem here; namely that most people dont seem to realize that there are two different things going on here. One being what the installers do (which is what cosmosis was talking about) and the other what the plugins do. The installers definitely behave in an unusual way, which i had already demonstrated some time ago by showing Tone2 Saurus vs DiscoDSP Corona. (Which are both INNO based.) The attached new animation shows that the exact same goes for FireBird Free as well, demonstrating again that Tone2 installers are clearly doing 'something' with the files and folders in the target dir that other installers DONT do. This is something that probably should be looked at as it is still unclear what exactly is going on, why the installers are behaving in this manner, and whether or not this behavior might be potentially harmful to peoples data.

What the plugins do, however, is a completely different story. I dont know how their other stuff behaves because i cant see it from the demos, but in the case of FireBird it seems to be perfectly harmless since all it does is scanning its parent directory for certain Tone2 keyfiles and thats it. Since it searches for some of them multiple times it is probably safe to assume that it is simply working through a list of all keyfiles that have ever been publically distributed (thus blacklisted) and deletes them if any are found. Other than that, NOTHING ELSE is done, so the way i see it the worst that could ever happen from running FireBird is that it deletes a bunch of illegitimate Tone2 keyfiles which nobody should be having in the first place. (And even that could ONLY happen if the keyfiles are located in the same directory as FireBird.dll)

So much for that, i hope things are a little bit clearer now.

Click thumbnail to view animation.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

Davias wrote:I pray for a sale too !
Something like the more you buy the better bargain... ^^
I would then grab gladiator, nemesis, rayblaster and electraX (in this order :p ):D

Tone2 Sale.
All I really want is a Tone2 'no-brainer' sale.

And the only thing that concerns me is when I see a degraded perfomance in my DAW due to some software. Anything else seems pointless if we're making music and it does it without additional software services running. Tone2 is good!

I can't stress this enough:
Tone2 'no-brainer' sale!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:36 pm

ENV1 wrote:
Ingonator wrote:...the installer just checks for illegal key files.
Actually it doesnt. Its the plugin that does the scanning.

And this seems to be the very problem here; namely that most people dont seem to realize that there are two different things going on here. One being what the installers do (which is what cosmosis was talking about) and the other what the plugins do. The installers definitely behave in an unusual way, which i had already demonstrated some time ago by showing Tone2 Saurus vs DiscoDSP Corona. (Which are both INNO based.) The attached new animation shows that the exact same goes for FireBird Free as well, demonstrating again that Tone2 installers are clearly doing 'something' with the files and folders in the target dir that other installers DONT do. This is something that probably should be looked at as it is still unclear what exactly is going on, why the installers are behaving in this manner, and whether or not this behavior might be potentially harmful to peoples data.

What the plugins do, however, is a completely different story. I dont know how their other stuff behaves because i cant see it from the demos, but in the case of FireBird it seems to be perfectly harmless since all it does is scanning its parent directory for certain Tone2 keyfiles and thats it. Since it searches for some of them multiple times it is probably safe to assume that it is simply working through a list of all keyfiles that have ever been publically distributed (thus blacklisted) and deletes them if any are found. Other than that, NOTHING ELSE is done, so the way i see it the worst that could ever happen from running FireBird is that it deletes a bunch of illegitimate Tone2 keyfiles which nobody should be having in the first place. (And even that could ONLY happen if the keyfiles are located in the same directory as FireBird.dll)

So much for that, i hope things are a little bit clearer now.

Click thumbnail to view animation.

Thanks. Indeed sounds pretty harmless. Oh well...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:55 pm

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Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:11 pm

Tone2 Firebird going Freeware